daniel1234
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Dont know if this is the right place to ask but I want/need to learn how to sex a snake, is there anyone that could teach me?
Tuition for sexing snakes
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chondrogreen
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Theres a few videos on youtube these days.
*flame suit on just incase*
*flame suit on just incase*
daniel1234
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LOL, No sparks here. Yeh I was going to add that I am a nurse so am kinda accoustomed to invasive proceedures and feeling for resistance etc but with such little critters I reckon it would be a bit much going in blind. Plus they can't talk and tell you you've gone to far. I have seen a vid on utube where they show a snake being popped.
I imagine probing would be more than sliding it into a tube until it stops. Thinking there may be resistance from other structures as you near the end, making for a false reading. I have heard vets will show you, I recently paid my vet for a weekend consult after hours so he kinda owes me one I reckon.
I imagine probing would be more than sliding it into a tube until it stops. Thinking there may be resistance from other structures as you near the end, making for a false reading. I have heard vets will show you, I recently paid my vet for a weekend consult after hours so he kinda owes me one I reckon.
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chondrogreen
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It's pretty easy actually, so long as you use the right size probe.
Just go slow and gentle and you will feel the resistance when you get deep enough.
IMO most problems causing damage are from inexperienced keepers using too small a probe and too much pressure.
As for popping I would leave that for newborns only, before their 1st shed at approx day 10 when they lack the muscle tone making it easier to pop.
Just go slow and gentle and you will feel the resistance when you get deep enough.
IMO most problems causing damage are from inexperienced keepers using too small a probe and too much pressure.
As for popping I would leave that for newborns only, before their 1st shed at approx day 10 when they lack the muscle tone making it easier to pop.
daniel1234
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Hmm, so how do you size a probe?
There is a "Probe kit" at my local rep shop, I don't think it has gauge sizes and no instructions. Your right, I have given bigger gauge injections than those things.
My Morelia hatchies are about four weeks old and have shed and fed.
I hear some people saying to check both sides and others just one for depth.
There is a "Probe kit" at my local rep shop, I don't think it has gauge sizes and no instructions. Your right, I have given bigger gauge injections than those things.
My Morelia hatchies are about four weeks old and have shed and fed.
I hear some people saying to check both sides and others just one for depth.
chondrogreen
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Hard to explain over the net but here goes:
Your a nurse yeah?
So pretend the snakes hemepine is a vein.
You know an approx size of that vein compared to its bodysize right, so look at your tools and find a probe to slide inside it.
Too big & it won't enter obviously...Too small and you risk piercing membrane. So of the 6 probes infront of you put the too big to the right side and too small to the left side. Now you will be left with maybe 1 or 2 options which you think will fit. So compromise lol
I would probe both sides and this is why....OK this is just an example: a snake probes 7 scales and according to research a male of that species should be 9-12 and a female 3-6. Check both sides as you may get a different result.
Your a nurse yeah?
So pretend the snakes hemepine is a vein.
You know an approx size of that vein compared to its bodysize right, so look at your tools and find a probe to slide inside it.
Too big & it won't enter obviously...Too small and you risk piercing membrane. So of the 6 probes infront of you put the too big to the right side and too small to the left side. Now you will be left with maybe 1 or 2 options which you think will fit. So compromise lol
I would probe both sides and this is why....OK this is just an example: a snake probes 7 scales and according to research a male of that species should be 9-12 and a female 3-6. Check both sides as you may get a different result.
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Daniel, if you can get someone to show you how it's done and guide you through, so you can have a go at it yourself, it's be the best approach. It's NOT "simple" as someone said, the way to hold the snake, its tail and how to insert the probe under the anal plate can be very tricky as snakes usually object to being fiddled around their a.... Understandably!
It's like most routines, once you have done it few times, it becomes easy. It would be good if someone experienced could not only demonstrate the procedure but also explain why it's done like this and that.
Cheers
M
It's like most routines, once you have done it few times, it becomes easy. It would be good if someone experienced could not only demonstrate the procedure but also explain why it's done like this and that.
Cheers
M
chondrogreen
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Who said it was simple?
I think the term used was "pretty easy provided you use the right tool and go slowly & gentle".
I have shown many people how to do it and everyone of them picked it up their first attempt.
Use the right tools, right amount of pressure and insert in the right spot and what can go wrong?
Considering nobody else wanted to answer them, I expected my posts to be flamed lol.
If I was in SA I would show them hands on, but as I am not a few words over the internet is as much as I can offer (seen as no1 else wanted to help)
I think the term used was "pretty easy provided you use the right tool and go slowly & gentle".
I have shown many people how to do it and everyone of them picked it up their first attempt.
Use the right tools, right amount of pressure and insert in the right spot and what can go wrong?
Considering nobody else wanted to answer them, I expected my posts to be flamed lol.
If I was in SA I would show them hands on, but as I am not a few words over the internet is as much as I can offer (seen as no1 else wanted to help)
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chondrogreen
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And your contribution to their tuition is? NOTHING
Just like the tons of other members replys offering help lol
I don't expect anyone to take lessons over the internet (after all Im not the self confessed authority), but I am just stating MY OPINION that it is pretty easy when you do it how it is meant to be done THE RIGHT WAY.
Sorry I can't offer a hands on tuition so I shall shut my mouth in future lol
Just like the tons of other members replys offering help lol
I don't expect anyone to take lessons over the internet (after all Im not the self confessed authority), but I am just stating MY OPINION that it is pretty easy when you do it how it is meant to be done THE RIGHT WAY.
Sorry I can't offer a hands on tuition so I shall shut my mouth in future lol
daniel1234
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Having trouble with reply button so using quick reply?!
I like your referal to research Chondrogreen, was talking to someone about that yesterday-where to get texts that were not hobby oriented.
So how wide is a hemepine compared to other structures around there. This is how I would size a catheter or nasogastric tube. Needle gauges are determined by what goes through them not what they go into (just in case you care lol)
I wondered about that anal plate thing. I have looked their on my larger snakes, it seems to point in the opposite direction.
Thanks guys, you have given me some good things to consider, which is what this forum is about remember
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Take care
I like your referal to research Chondrogreen, was talking to someone about that yesterday-where to get texts that were not hobby oriented.
So how wide is a hemepine compared to other structures around there. This is how I would size a catheter or nasogastric tube. Needle gauges are determined by what goes through them not what they go into (just in case you care lol)
I wondered about that anal plate thing. I have looked their on my larger snakes, it seems to point in the opposite direction.
Thanks guys, you have given me some good things to consider, which is what this forum is about remember
.Take care
daniel1234
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I know. That vet appointment was 'just' for a jaw that would not realine properly after a feed. Both the vet (over the phone) and logic told me to do it myself but I had to let someone do it for me first. If it happened again I will fix it and go for a cheaper check up.
I live in NE suburbs.
Firesuits anyone--and I thought the administators may have a go at me for this post LOL
If it is any consolation, I still like you all--flames or no flames.
daniel1234
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I hope not! you seen how big those buggers are!
Na an example was given based on my nursing background. I can judge how to pick sizes for these things which is particularly important when things are not as they should be. I was implying probes and hemipenises would be similar process to gauge. I dont know how wide hemipenises would be when they are exposed as everything is normal down there.
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chondrogreen
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Sorry, I had my spell checker turned off.
I usually don't use it here as mispelt words are as common as.... well ya get the drift.
I usually don't use it here as mispelt words are as common as.... well ya get the drift.
chondrogreen
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Sorry I thought you were picking up my spelling error above.
And I could ask you the same thing Michael. Do you have to be everywhere I post?
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