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Hey, got a severely egg bound knob tail gecko, just got back from the vet and they gave me the option of a $1800 surgery or euthanasia. i was just wondering if there’s anything else that could possibly be done? any at home treatments? i trust the vet but also would just love some insight from others.
Thank you all in advance for your help!!
 
what vet is it... a cat and dog vet will charge 10x more for a reptile than a reptile vet specialist would

helping egg bound animals isnt something you should try to home remedy, once theyre stuck inside theres no easy way to get them out
 
The best course of action in the majority of these cases is to leave the animal alone. Surgery generally results in an animal which is going to need surgery if it becomes gravid again (the reproductive system is damaged by the surgery making passing eggs more difficult), so you're setting up another problem in the future, especially in the case of a Knob-tailed Gecko which is likely to produce eggs from retained sperm. And of course surgery has its own inherent risks and can often directly kill the animal.

Certainly not always, but most often, egg bound reptiles which are left alone will usually eventually get them out on their own, even if you have to wait until the eggs go bad, and generally this results in the full recovery of the animal.

Generally, the worst thing you can do is surgery. The second worst thing you can do is disturb the animal (handling etc, and especially taking it on a trip such as to a vet).

People usually want to intervene to assist when there is a problem but often they cause problems when there wasn't even one to begin with, and make it worse if there is one.

Your animal, your choice, but after decades of watching hundreds of people dealing with this problem in reptiles I've seen a very clear trend in the most likely path to success being to leave the animal alone and let nature do its thing. It's certainly what I do with my own animals and in cases of egg binding I've had personally (very few proportionately but when you work with thousands of animals you're going to see a fair few cases of it) where most people would get surgery, almost all of them pass the eggs and go on to have healthy lives. When I see people go for surgery, most of the animal survive but it's still multiples the fatality rate of animals left alone, and the future complication rate is very high.

Most keepers base their advice on the one or two cases they've personally had. Most vets will tell you to go for surgery because they're hardly going to say "Don't use my services, you'd just be paying me to make things worse, vets are an expensive waste of time/source of harm". Most people will advise you to go to a vet because 'they are the professionals'. Definitely risks either way, the only sure thing is paying for euthenasia (and even for that, I can do it at home far more humanely than a vet will charge money for... but why kill the lizard when it has a chance of recovery and if it doesn't, it's not going to be any more dead than if you deliberately killed it!).

Good luck with your gecko!
 
what vet is it... a cat and dog vet will charge 10x more for a reptile than a reptile vet specialist would

helping egg bound animals isnt something you should try to home remedy, once theyre stuck inside theres no easy way to get them out
it was unusual pet vets!

The best course of action in the majority of these cases is to leave the animal alone. Surgery generally results in an animal which is going to need surgery if it becomes gravid again (the reproductive system is damaged by the surgery making passing eggs more difficult), so you're setting up another problem in the future, especially in the case of a Knob-tailed Gecko which is likely to produce eggs from retained sperm. And of course surgery has its own inherent risks and can often directly kill the animal.

Certainly not always, but most often, egg bound reptiles which are left alone will usually eventually get them out on their own, even if you have to wait until the eggs go bad, and generally this results in the full recovery of the animal.

Generally, the worst thing you can do is surgery. The second worst thing you can do is disturb the animal (handling etc, and especially taking it on a trip such as to a vet).

People usually want to intervene to assist when there is a problem but often they cause problems when there wasn't even one to begin with, and make it worse if there is one.

Your animal, your choice, but after decades of watching hundreds of people dealing with this problem in reptiles I've seen a very clear trend in the most likely path to success being to leave the animal alone and let nature do its thing. It's certainly what I do with my own animals and in cases of egg binding I've had personally (very few proportionately but when you work with thousands of animals you're going to see a fair few cases of it) where most people would get surgery, almost all of them pass the eggs and go on to have healthy lives. When I see people go for surgery, most of the animal survive but it's still multiples the fatality rate of animals left alone, and the future complication rate is very high.

Most keepers base their advice on the one or two cases they've personally had. Most vets will tell you to go for surgery because they're hardly going to say "Don't use my services, you'd just be paying me to make things worse, vets are an expensive waste of time/source of harm". Most people will advise you to go to a vet because 'they are the professionals'. Definitely risks either way, the only sure thing is paying for euthenasia (and even for that, I can do it at home far more humanely than a vet will charge money for... but why kill the lizard when it has a chance of recovery and if it doesn't, it's not going to be any more dead than if you deliberately killed it!).

Good luck with your gecko!
She’s been egg bound for weeks now and is losing a major amount of weight! do you think there is much hope of her passing them by herself?

thank you all for your help, unfortunately she passed away today.
 
thank you all for your help, unfortunately she passed away today.
Sorry to hear this.

Without a doubt, if she was that close to death already, the trauma of the surgery would have been much more than enough to push her over the edge anyway, so it would have been a very expensive way to euthenase her, and of course, a deliberate euthenasia is a guaranteed death by design.

So, you can at least know that you didn't bring about a death which could have been prevented. Unfortunately all living things eventually die, and reproduction is a dangerous biological process for females of most species, even for humans. That may not be too comforting, but at least you don't have to feel bad about having done the wrong thing.

To answer your specific follow up question, if it had already been weeks and the lizard was losing a major amount of weight (that specific symptom is a significant danger sign), it wasn't looking great. But, surgery is still the highest risk option at any stage. Early on, yes, surgery in this specific case likely would have saved the lizard (in the short term - but there would probably have been lethal issues in the future anyway), but without knowing the future at that time it was still the worse risk. Unfortunately we just don't know the future - if we did, that lizard wouldn't have ever been paired up. Once the major weight loss had already occurred and we had a better idea of the outlook, the risk of surgery was almost much higher, and I've seen so many people take so many animals to the vets over the last few decades and I can say that it's quite consistent that the level of grief is higher when a complicated and expensive (let's face it, $1,800 is a considerable amount of money, I literally see humans die in some of the countries I spend time in because their families can't afford treatment which costs less than that, so I would personally have ethical issues with spending that much on an extremely risky surgery on a gecko rather than giving that money to someone who can literally use it to save the lives of more than one human child).

Sorry for your loss, it's always tough to lose a pet.
 

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