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Congratulations! You have managed yet again to post a trivialising comment into a serious issue.

Over the years I have taught hundreds of individuals your age. One thing I can say as a result of that, with absolute certainty, is that your age is in no way any excuse for your comments. I believe you have a choice to make in life... continue your attention seeking behaviour through insensitive and uncaring interactions; or draw desirable attention to yourself by demonstrating sensitivity and caring for others.

The reality Snakeluvver is that it would not really matter if this video was fake. It accurately portrays a problem that is very real and needs to be addressed instead of being swept under the carpet or made light of. Apart from the potential to create high levels of stress and the feelings of hopelessness, which are often fore-runners to depression or a number of other forms of mental illness, bullying can lead to drug taking, alcohol abuse, reckless and lawless behaviour, stifled social development and poor social skills and the list goes on. So even if they don’t commit suicide and keep the self-harm at a lower level, their lives can be permanently screwed up as a result of on-going persistent bullying at school.

I don’t consider this to be trivial. Do you?

Blue
Did I say it considered it trivial? Blue you need to stop assuming. I know this is a serious issue, I know someone with depression.
I'm not using my age as a defense, I'm using nothing as a defense. I shouldn't have added it there, people always treat me differently with it there.
Anyway I was saying what I said as just a fact.
It really seems this guy is serious and I hope he got/gets help.
I know this leads to other issues mate, I'm not dumb.
Oh and finally, thanks for the sarcastic congratulations, it really helped. And I'm sure this post really helped me, one way or another, to realise people can be permanently screwed up as a result of on-going persistent bullying at school, because I sure didn't know this before now.
 
I feel really sorry for this kid, I cant even begin to imagine how he feels.
And blue, I hope you're not confusing snakeluvver3 for me lol I'm clean ;)
 
There is nothing wrong with putting personal experiences like this on the net but it does need to be done very carefully especially when it comes to self harming. These things are quite genuinely contagious. One of the biggest risk factors to becoming a statistic is knowing someone who has taken their own life.

Seemed to be the case with this:

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Zac and Taylor are buried together at Eastern Cemetery, I saw the grave one of the times I was there (I know a few people at that cemetery, been to 22 funerals in 5 years).

You don't always have to know the person who committed suicide to for it to have an effect, I learned this when I happened to be on a train that hit a man who wanted to commit suicide. Needless to say it worked, I didn't see the body, but the car was a mess and it's an image I'll never forget. I'm glad I had good enough mental strength at the time, it happened at a time when I was dealing with the fact that the guy I liked had just got into a relationship with someone else, I'd liked this guy for a long time and it was deeply painful for me. I should have been used to it though, My father left before I was born and I'd suffered a lot of rejection since then, but I guess I still have human emotions after all lol. Sometimes it doesn't feel that way, for a while I went numb and didn't feel anything... it was scary.

I was on the way to church in Melbourne when the accident happened, and after it I chose to take the coach provided, looking back I shouldn't have, my head was all over the place and I kept forgetting what I was doing. I was late getting into church and had to sit up in the balcony which gave me a great view of the guy I liked and his girlfriend holding hands... didn't help. The week after that our youth pastor told us he had cancer. Over the next 2 years I didn't see him much, but he looked very ill.

One day two years later he admitted that he didn't really have cancer. My head was spinning for a couple of weeks, I'm usually very good at picking people who aren't reliable, this one was a good liar, and had shown physical symptoms of being ill. He would vomit and convulse, but it was because of guilt rather than cancer. The reason he did it in the first place was because he'd had what he called an addiction to porn since he was 12, and since his father was a well respected pastor and he was at church a lot he didn't want anyone to know, and became a youth pastor and lived a double life.

His guilt over the porn issue was causing him to vomit a lot, and he had to explain why this was happening, but instead of telling the truth he came with the cancer story. He was the last person on Earth I would have expected to do something like that, not because he was a youth pastor, but because he always seemed very genuine and caring. He received a lot of money from people who thought he was sick, and when he came clean he handed himself into the fraud squad and worked on getting the money back to everyone.

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The lady I was buying my motorcycle off also lied about having cancer, her children were 6 and 10 at the time. She also lied about her husband beating and raping her. As soon as the bike was paid off I had nothing to do with her again. Two years later she was arrested because she tried to hire a hit man to kill her husband :shock: She told me about that when I was hanging around with her, but I didn't believe her. She was always telling BS stories to people including the cancer one (which came back to bite her, she got breast cancer).

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Our friend went down with her, he had some involvement, but I've talked to Rick about it, and he believes our friend was sucked in by his ex wife and doesn't hold any ill will towards Wayne. It was very interesting hearing all about it when we went to court!

If I had been in a bad place mentally I'm not sure if I would have been able to get through all that, I've had suicidal thoughts in my short life time too... scary place to be.

Am I insane yet??? :lol:
 
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Like i said Blue, please take that comment as it was intended....

Waruikazi,

I am more experience and more qualified than you to make those sorts of decisions you are talking about. I have worked with the School Psychologist, the Guidance Officer, the School Nurse and the Administration, attended in-service training and been party to case conferences I some pretty tough schools. And that is apart from the time spent in the classroom and sitting down and talking with kids at recess and lunch and sports etc. What I can tell you is that to discuss the details of a case conference in earshot of the individual is a major professional no no and would get you hauled over the coals by admin in any school.

“I have seen the way you and that young fella have interacted in the past and i think your response may have been influenced by your apparent feelings toward him.” What you mean is that you have seen the one and only other time I have posted in response to his doing a similar thing. Gee, I could have sworn I included “yet again” in that first sentence. You might think you are mind reader but you have absolutely no clue whatsoever of my attitude towards him, only of my attitude towards his inappropriately timed posts – they are NOT the same thing.

I do not intend to reply to anything you post after this.

Blue


Did I say it considered it trivial? Blue you need to stop assuming....

I am glad you responded. I almost never mention age but I did want it to be clear I believe you are old enough to take responsibility for your own actions. And that is all that counts. The other thing I hope came out was that people don’t think that sort of comment is appropriate. Whether it is fact or fiction is not the issue. It is the timing of it. You had quite a number of posters who have obvious watched in the belief that it is true and have had a very strong emotional reaction. Then you come in and say yeah, I saw one of those and in the end it turned out to be all fake. Even suggesting the tape is fake, which is what your statement did, is to tell people that there is a good chance all that was said (printed actually) and all the emotional outpouring is a false and a waste of time, emotions and the thoughts they were expressing. In other words it has the potential to make these things worthless, trivial. That is why I called it a trivialising comment.

I ask you if you thought the issues were trivial. Not for one microsecond did I believe you thought they were. I certainly wouldn’t have asked otherwise lol. What I wanted was the opportunity to access your good sense and illustrate why that particular comment was not appropriate. I also asked you a question the one other time I pulled you up but you did not reply so I was unable to explain. I agree that the process of highlighting the comment and the problem with it is done sternly – pretty short sharp. If I don’t get the opprtunity to explain, then at least you know you did something that maybe should not have done.

You response and stern defense puts my mind at ease that you do have the right sort of values. Perhaps think a little more before posting in future and I am sure you’ll be right. You do have a shrp wit and good sense of humour. Just don’t lose that in the process.

Blue
 
I believe you are old enough to take responsibility for your own actions
I ask you if you thought the issues were trivial. Not for one microsecond did I believe you thought they were. I certainly wouldn’t have asked otherwise lol. What I wanted was the opportunity to access your good sense and illustrate why that particular comment was not appropriate. I also asked you a question the one other time I pulled you up but you did not reply so I was unable to explain. I agree that the process of highlighting the comment and the problem with it is done sternly – pretty short sharp. If I don’t get the opprtunity to explain, then at least you know you did something that maybe should not have done.

You response and stern defense puts my mind at ease that you do have the right sort of values. Perhaps think a little more before posting in future and I am sure you’ll be right. You do have a shrp wit and good sense of humour. Just don’t lose that in the process.

Blue
This is the first time I've asked someone this but please, can you stop speaking to me as though I am seven years old? I apologise if you don't mean to, but that's really the way it seems. Reading through your post I feel as though I'm being given a lecture on how to behave by my grade 3 teacher.

Then you come in and say yeah, I saw one of those and in the end it turned out to be all fake. Even suggesting the tape is fake, which is what your statement did, is to tell people that there is a good chance all that was said (printed actually) and all the emotional outpouring is a false and a waste of time, emotions and the thoughts they were expressing. In other words it has the potential to make these things worthless, trivial.
I'll use this time to apologise if anyone took my post as though I was suggesting the clip is fake, it obviously is not, the boy (I say boy, not young adult or child as this boy is my age) is showing body language of emotional distress, eg crying.
 
Well, I've watched this video a few times now ... and it hurts my heart to think any child can be reduced to feel so helpless ..... I went through a stage with my oldest son not so long ago the bully thing .... i think most young ones end up copping it less your in the in-crowed at school but thankful enough he seems to have pulled himself out of it i Just hope this young ones family have some idea what going on as we didn't tell my son was at breaking point .... for some reason he didn't want to worry me over it ..... yet i would move heaven and earth for my boys ....anyone that cant be moved or touched by the situation is pretty cold and heartless ... i just hope he's able to get help in dealing with it .... i watched the video with my 14 year old son ... and in that situation it moved me even more knowing he'd been there thank gawd didn't get to the self harm stage ..... all i can say to any young ones out there that read this is .... DON'T try and deal with stuff like this your self if its that bad it makes you so unhappy and your soul hurts believe me your family wants to know and be there to help you in any manner they can!
 
Then i take my hat off to you mate. You are just a super star! I'll call you Captain Blue the Qualified from now on!

At the time that comment was posted, can you tell with 100% certainty that it wasn't? If you can, then i need to trade my crystal ball in for yours. And do your qualifications and experience tell you that people suffering depression don't try to talk about it?

Just remember that i didn't say it was, i said it could have been. It sounds like you have seen the same kinds of things i have, maybe you've seen worse but from what i have seen i would much rather assume the worst and get it wrong any day of the week and end up red faced, embarrassed anything instead of getting it wrong.

In either case do your qualifications and experience really lead you to beleive that berrating a young fella who you think has made an inappropriate comment is a good way to change his mind? Instead of having a go at the young man why not ask a few leading questions? Maybe 'What makes you say that?' or 'How does that make you feel?' But instead you put your old man hat on and told him off for being young.

And i didn't see that comment as innapropriate or trivialising the situation.


Waruikazi,

I am more experience and more qualified than you to make those sorts of decisions you are talking about. I have worked with the School Psychologist, the Guidance Officer, the School Nurse and the Administration, attended in-service training and been party to case conferences I some pretty tough schools. And that is apart from the time spent in the classroom and sitting down and talking with kids at recess and lunch and sports etc. What I can tell you is that to discuss the details of a case conference in earshot of the individual is a major professional no no and would get you hauled over the coals by admin in any school.

“I have seen the way you and that young fella have interacted in the past and i think your response may have been influenced by your apparent feelings toward him.” What you mean is that you have seen the one and only other time I have posted in response to his doing a similar thing. Gee, I could have sworn I included “yet again” in that first sentence. You might think you are mind reader but you have absolutely no clue whatsoever of my attitude towards him, only of my attitude towards his inappropriately timed posts – they are NOT the same thing.

I do not intend to reply to anything you post after this.

Blue

I don't think you are the one who needs to apologise mate. He brought your age into this, not you.

This is the first time I've asked someone this but please, can you stop speaking to me as though I am seven years old? I apologise if you don't mean to, but that's really the way it seems. Reading through your post I feel as though I'm being given a lecture on how to behave by my grade 3 teacher.


I'll use this time to apologise if anyone took my post as though I was suggesting the clip is fake, it obviously is not, the boy (I say boy, not young adult or child as this boy is my age) is showing body language of emotional distress, eg crying.

You know Blue, re-reading your last post, all you have said boils down to 'I know more than you and you don't know me.' I guess you've got me there!
 
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now i wanna smack him in the mouth making a joke out of something like that i did think it was a little weird he made that video and put it on youtube hence my previous posts if your depressed youtube isnt the way to go
 
wether he lied or not the story still has value. We have all looked at this and thought about how we treat others, and we have shared it with others, and hopefully it has given some people the strength to stand up to a bully or to talk to someone else...

perhaps as KJ said the original video made people think about how they treated him.
 
I don't think he lied, the first video was before he started school again, but he seems to have gone the complete opposite way now he has friends.

This.


now i wanna smack him in the mouth making a joke out of something like that i did think it was a little weird he made that video and put it on youtube hence my previous posts if your depressed youtube isnt the way to go

The title of that video is misleading, he never said he lied about it, and you can see his scars. He said the other video was four months ago, and some people are treating him better now.
 
"admits he lied" is the title of the clip, those are not my words.
all I said was "I don't even" so don't jump too quickly to crush me :D
I just found the link on another site, so posted it here, I didn't even compare dates to be honest.
 
I hope I didn't come across as having a go at you, I didn't mean it that way :(

The person who uploaded the video probably chose to give it that title because it would get them more hits... I think it worked :)
 
regardless .... there are kids ... and adults even in the same situation ... feeling lost and as if they have little to no self worth .... maybe we all need to be a little more thoughtful and understanding when dealing with others
 
haha it's ok Tahlia, it'd take a great deal more than that to get me ;)
I'm pretty resilient :D (to most things)
 
Whether or not he lied.....which i dont for one minute believe that he did, did anyone else look through the 'reponses to Jonah Mowry' videos that others posted about their own personal problems? Yeah there are some just mocking him, but there also seem to be some real life problems there too that others felt they could post after watching his video. Thats inspirational really!
 
to the members who have been arguing between yourselves in this thread. Please stop it and I'd suggest it best not to comment on each other's posts in this thread or other threads for a while please because whatever antagonism between you thats going on ends now before it gets worse.. thank you
 
I really dont like closing threads and apologise to the members who have contributed to this one but after my post above I think it may be the best thing to close it to avoid further conflict between a few members.
please settle down guys.
 
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