Bredlie/Inland Carpet python

[Elapidae1]

Yes but it would not surprise me if people disagree and it certainly hasn't caught on in WA as we still have M spilota imbricata

 

[Morelialover]

ah k cool, cheers!

 

[scottyo998]

simply because after a day of dealing with people who had no idea what they were doing, and doing things that could easily kill there new pet, i got frustrated seeing that all the answers are so easy to find if a little effort was put in. In hindsight, my comment was probably more aimed at people like that in general more than it was aimed at you, my apology.

 

[Elapidae1]

C'mon guys you were given an avenue to potentialy turn this into a really interesting thread.

 

[Morelialover]

here here!

whislt were on this topic, has the Liasis oliviceous baroni been proven to be any diffrent from L. oliviceous?

 

[Dipcdame]

G'day Scotty,

You're right - it can be frustrating when people don't research stuff properly, like how to properly present scientific names in text. For future reference, make sure you italicize the entire scientific name, and only capitalize the generic name. For example, Morelia bredli.

Unfortunately, your Wikipedia link doesn't mention Steve Donnellan's 2003 presentation at the Australian Society of Herpetologists meeting, where all of the subspecies of Morelia spilota were basically found to be null and void genetically. They are just the one highly variable species.

APS is a very useful tool for those who are learning. Whilst the information may be available elsewhere, the opportunity for it to be explained in a fashion that those seeking the information can understand is not - this is where APS shines.

So can we play nice yet?

Totally agreed Johnno, in SA, I don't know about other states, but all morieltas are lumped under the one name, CARPET PYTHON. so I'm frustrated in not being able to differentiate that I have Murray Darlings. What I must write could mean I have anything in that species!!!! Annoying!

And I was always led to believe that APS is a forum where newbies CAN learn in a friendly environment, possibly without being judged for our ignorance. It waas this very reason, such as has happened here with this scotty character. You're 16 years old, you have many years of learning ahead of you lad, not only with reptiles, and how to handle them, but how to handle and interact with people!! No insult intended, i am not having a go, just pointing out something that is pretty obvious.

 

[scottyo998]

well im not sure about genetically, but the Liasis oliviceous baroni, or Pilbara Olive Python, does grow remarkably larger then L.o.oliviceous and, as the name suggest, is only found in the Pilbara region. They also have a lower dorsal scale count.

 

[Morelialover]

are right, and are Pilbara olives hard to get? say, in comparison to normal olives

 

[scottyo998]

from my understanding they aren't as commonly kept as regular olives, whether thats because they are harder to obtain or because they can easily grow to 6.5m or more im not really sure.

 

[Morelialover]

Centralian Carpet Pythons

is that correct? Centralian carpet python = Morelia bredli?

 

[scottyo998]

yes it is

 

[Elapidae1]

Pilbara olives cannot be legally taken.

 

[scottyo998]

well then that explains it then haha

 

[Morelialover]

right, that added to some of my confusion (the Centralian carpet name).

so there are NO Pilbara olives in captivity at all? only wild?

 

[scottyo998]

well its almost inevitable that there some being illegally kept in captivity as either L.o.oliviceous or just without a license entirely, and it is possible that a zoo or group with a special reason or whatever has some, but for the general population of law abiding herp keepers i would say no.

 

[Morelialover]

once they grow the population a bit, in the wild and captivity, they would then legalise them yes? for the general public?

 

[Elapidae1]

They may have been taken previously under some permits and therefore I believe there may be a few in captivity.

The Pilbara olive has a lower mid body scale count, 58-66 compared to 61-72, and a higher ventral count 374-410 compared to355-377. The Pilbara also has 4 posterior prefrontal scales, This info is from the Pilbara Pythons web site

 

[Morelialover]

nvm

 

[jamesn48]

They are two totally different special of Morelia. Centralian Carpet Pythons (Morelia bredli) are confined to within a few hundred kilometres of Alice Springs. Inland Carpet Pythons are just a variation of the one species of Carpet Python (Morelia spilota variegata) that occurs through most of QLD, NSW, northern Victoria, some of SA and the north of NT and WA. They are not regarded as another species/subspecies.

Isn't it Morelia spilota metcalfei?

 

[Jonno from ERD]

G'day James,

Morelia spilota metcalfei is regarded as synonymous with Morelia spilota variegata, as are most of the other poorly described subspecies of Morelia spilota.