Changes to reptile license

[dragonlover1]

Hey everyone in NSW, did you get an email from NPWS/OEH ? They are changing the record keeping system. Make sure you keep a copy of your existing records so you can put all your scaly friends into the new system. I can only hope they have a smooth transition to the new system and not F*** it up like last time

NPWS Wildlife No Reply Mailbox <[email protected]>​

15:47 (1 hour ago)

to

IMPORTANT INFORMATION ABOUT THE ANIMAL KEEPER RECORD SYSTEM
Dear Native Animal Keeper Licensee,

We are transitioning to a new online animal keeper record book. The current NPWS Native Animal Keeper Electronic Record Keeping System (e-book) will switch off on 31 August 2024. Once this has occurred, you will be required to enter your records in the new online native animal keeper record book here. You will no longer need your e-book login details.

We are working to ensure that data is transitioned from the current provider effectively. As you will not be able to see last year’s lodgement entry after the transition, we suggest that you save a copy of your e-book records offline prior to 27 August 2024 11.59pm, and avoid entering new data from this date.

It is a condition of your licence to keep your native animal records up-to-date and lodge your records in April each year.

For further information and contact details please visit:
https://www.environment.nsw.gov.au/...mals-as-pets/native-animal-keeper-record-book
https://www.animalkeepers.environment.nsw.gov.au/

Kind regards

Wildlife Licensing Team
Wildlife Programs and Regulations Unit
National Parks and Wildlife Service
Department of Climate Change, Energy, the Environment and Water

 

[dragonlover1]

UPDATE :
here is an email I received from the Hawkesbury Herpetological Society of which I'm a member

MAKE SURE YOU READ THIS MESSAGE IT COULD SAVE YOU TIME AND TROUBLE

To everyone (in NSW) who has a reptile license: PLEASE MAKE THE TIME TO ACCESS YOUR CURRENT E-BOOK ASAP, WHILE IT IS STILL ACCESSIBLE AND DOWNLOAD/PRINT OUT A COPY OF YOUR LAST LODGEMENT AND, IF DIFFERENT TO YOUR LAST LODGEMENT, YOUR CURRENT SPECIES RECORDS – BEFORE THEY DISAPPEAR. People have been reporting finding an error with the new system and the information from National Parks and Wildlife is that it will be YOUR RESPONSIBILITY to prove your records are accurate. The current form you are being asked to use via the link sent August 1st, has an error. It seems there is a flaw that will not let you see your records and once the old e-book is deleted, which it will be soon as the contract with the service provider has been cancelled, all records may be lost. We will be emailing members and will also update the page if there is any more news.

 

[dragonlover1]

UPDATED UPDATE :
After fiddling around with the new form for a half hour, and then finally talking to someone from OEH/NPWS we made some headway but this new system is only temporary...... which might be a couple of months or drag on for years as they have not found a new provider.
A lodgement could take quite some time now as each species has to be lodged separately instead of just clicking on your lodgement page. Anyone with a big collection will be spending large amounts of time doing something that used to take a few minutes.
Here is another page I downloaded from Animal Care Australia Inc

"NSW Native Wildlife Licensing online system updated and you need to download your records now.
Attention all NSW native wildlife license holders.
The new online system has now been implemented.
If you have not yet downloaded your records from the old e-book then do so immediately as they will be deleted soon.
The new system DOES NOT provide you with a full listing of all the species you keep.
Upon each time you update it requires you to also provide a running total of not only the species you are updating but the total number of species on your license.
ACA STRONGLY recommends you maintain your own reliable records moving forward.
For more information about the new online system go here:
https://www.environment.nsw.gov.au/.../native-animal...
The previous e-book will soon be deleted so log-in today and download current records by choosing the print option and then save as pdf. Also export previous years returns from the previous lodgements tab. It could become vital in order to prove that you are the rightful owner of the species you keep.
Your old access link is here: https://www.animalkeepers.environment.nsw.gov.au/Login.aspx "

 

[dragonlover1]

Here is an email from ACA about their concerns about privacy with the new system
From: ACA President <[email protected]>
Date: 20 September 2024</[email protected]>


With the introduction of the interim E-book data entry form, Animal Care Australia received a number of messages of concern relating to the mandating of the collection of personal details by a third party.


The concerns centre around the mandating of recording the full address details of the person buying and selling an animal - and requiring people to view drivers licenses (proof of who they are dealing with) in order to record those details.
These details are already known by NPWS and are on their records. Prior to the introduction of this new form it was only necessary to record the person's name, native wildlife license number and suburb.


Mandating the proof of identification along with the storage of third party personal details on individuals' phones & laptops and not in a secure database is in our opinion a security risk and breach of privacy.


Complete strangers being able to ascertain where specific animals are being housed places the owners and animals in potential danger of theft or worse. Animal Care Australia has raised these concerns with the NPWS and is awaiting a response. We will share/advise of that response when received.

 

[Herpetology]

Here is an email from ACA about their concerns about privacy with the new system
From: ACA President <[email protected]>
Date: 20 September 2024</[email protected]>


With the introduction of the interim E-book data entry form, Animal Care Australia received a number of messages of concern relating to the mandating of the collection of personal details by a third party.


The concerns centre around the mandating of recording the full address details of the person buying and selling an animal - and requiring people to view drivers licenses (proof of who they are dealing with) in order to record those details.
These details are already known by NPWS and are on their records. Prior to the introduction of this new form it was only necessary to record the person's name, native wildlife license number and suburb.


Mandating the proof of identification along with the storage of third party personal details on individuals' phones & laptops and not in a secure database is in our opinion a security risk and breach of privacy.


Complete strangers being able to ascertain where specific animals are being housed places the owners and animals in potential danger of theft or worse. Animal Care Australia has raised these concerns with the NPWS and is awaiting a response. We will share/advise of that response when received.

valid concerns, plenty of people had their properties broken into even on the old system... this just makes it easier.

 

[dragonlover1]

valid concerns, plenty of people had their properties broken into even on the old system... this just makes it easier.

Yes it is a problem, apart from selling animals at the Expo I usually meet people at Petbarn to avoid anyone knowing my address. I don't even tell my neighbours I keep reptiles But this new system will only add to the risk of robbery.
Just another example of Govt. stupidity, next thing they'll be telling us we have to put a sign out the front of the house.

 

[Herpetology]

Yes it is a problem, apart from selling animals at the Expo I usually meet people at Petbarn to avoid anyone knowing my address. I don't even tell my neighbours I keep reptiles But this new system will only add to the risk of robbery.
Just another example of Govt. stupidity, next thing they'll be telling us we have to put a sign out the front of the house.

i've just looked, you dont need an address, in the "address" box you can free type anything you want

 

[dragonlover1]

i've just looked, you dont need an address, in the "address" box you can free type anything you want

not for the receiver but you have to type YOUR address as the seller and you are supposed to sight the receivers ID and keep records of it.
1 defect with the new system is you actually have to put the receivers name not the address in the address box

 

[Herpetology]

An update on the update

 

[Sdaji]

I can't see this causing any problems at all. Not one. Not even a little inconvenience.

 

[dragonlover1]

I can't see this causing any problems at all. Not one. Not even a little inconvenience.

Maybe not for you John, in Victoria. But for us in NSW, it is a pain in the 4rse. It takes 15 minutes minimum for each transaction. we have done 4 different movements in the last 2 weeks and know exactly what a drama it is compared to the old system.

 

[Sdaji]

Maybe not for you John, in Victoria. But for us in NSW, it is a pain in the 4rse. It takes 15 minutes minimum for each transaction. we have done 4 different movements in the last 2 weeks and know exactly what a drama it is compared to the old system.

Your ability to miss sarcasm should never be insulted.

 

[dragonlover1]

Your ability to miss sarcasm should never be insulted.

you got me there

 

[Sdaji]

you got me there

Obviously it's a complete mess, and government departments are reliable about making big problems out of even the most simple of tasks. Even if it went smoothly it would be ridiculous and problematic, but all things considered, there will almost inevitably be significant hassles for many people involved, and even aside from any conversions or teething issues, it's a hideous design for the system, with obvious problems, some of which you'd already highlighted, such as forcing people to give out their address, which is a ridiculous condition to impose on anyone against their will. This is the case in Victoria too, and unlike NSW, it always has been the case, and Victoria demands that you provide interstate sellers' addresses before providing permission to buy from them, meaning some people outside Victoria refuse to deal with anyone in Victoria, which is not entirely unreasonable, and NSW is moving backwards in this way. Australia really is an insane country and rapidly getting worse.

I thought I went over the top with the sarcasm, which I thought was unnecessary given how stupid the situation is, but clearly I didn't go far enough. I suppose text can be misleading.

 

[dragonlover1]

Obviously it's a complete mess, and government departments are reliable about making big problems out of even the most simple of tasks. Even if it went smoothly it would be ridiculous and problematic, but all things considered, there will almost inevitably be significant hassles for many people involved, and even aside from any conversions or teething issues, it's a hideous design for the system, with obvious problems, some of which you'd already highlighted, such as forcing people to give out their address, which is a ridiculous condition to impose on anyone against their will. This is the case in Victoria too, and unlike NSW, it always has been the case, and Victoria demands that you provide interstate sellers' addresses before providing permission to buy from them, meaning some people outside Victoria refuse to deal with anyone in Victoria, which is not entirely unreasonable, and NSW is moving backwards in this way. Australia really is an insane country and rapidly getting worse.

I thought I went over the top with the sarcasm, which I thought was unnecessary given how stupid the situation is, but clearly I didn't go far enough. I suppose text can be misleading.

Re. import license, NSW has also wanted interstate sellers' address before permit is granted.
I wonder if this new system is just a sneaky way of nailing down the changes to licensing NPWS tried to bring in a year or back

 

[Sdaji]

Re. import license, NSW has also wanted interstate sellers' address before permit is granted.
I wonder if this new system is just a sneaky way of nailing down the changes to licensing NPWS tried to bring in a year or back

Who knows?

This is Australia, where as far as the government is concerned, your privacy has no value and your desire to keep it is just a pesky obstacle in the way. Your convenience and wellbeing at best is a secondary consideration and has no relevance to the government achieving its objectives. NSW used to lead the way in this respect, but VIC is narrowing in and arguably has overtaken. NSW used to overwhelmingly be the leader in terms of having a population stupid enough to embrace their own obedience collars, but while they continue to march ahead, Victoria is racing to keep up. The rest of the country is following, more slowly but in the same direction.

Australia used to be the best country in the world, and I don't mean that hyperbolically. Unfortunately while it is still pretty good by global standards, it is rapidly tumbling and will soon be terrible. It's already far worse than the country I enjoyed in the 80s and realised I was so incredibly lucky to be in in the 90s, and was horrified to see taking such a hideous turn in the 00s (well, it took the turn earlier, I recognised that in the mid 90s, but didn't realise how bad it would get until the 00s).

Australians are extremely apathetic and naive. That comes from multiple generations of extreme wealth, comfort and safety. They don't realise things can go badly, which is a big part of why they will, and at this point the signs are obvious to anyone with open eyes. Part of me feels sick every time I visit Australia, partly because I compare it to how it was, and partly because I compare it to the other countries I spend time in.

So, when I said that a ridiculous government system change wouldn't cause any problems, not even a small one, not the smallest little hiccup at all, you can be sure it was sarcasm.

Having said all this, Australia is still a very easy, comfortable place to live where you can make an absolute fortune even working in a basic job anyone can walk straight into. Most don't appreciate what they have, which shows how soft Australians have become, which is a prelude to the disaster Australia has in the near future.

 

[dragonlover1]

Who knows?

This is Australia, where as far as the government is concerned, your privacy has no value and your desire to keep it is just a pesky obstacle in the way. Your convenience and wellbeing at best is a secondary consideration and has no relevance to the government achieving its objectives. NSW used to lead the way in this respect, but VIC is narrowing in and arguably has overtaken. NSW used to overwhelmingly be the leader in terms of having a population stupid enough to embrace their own obedience collars, but while they continue to march ahead, Victoria is racing to keep up. The rest of the country is following, more slowly but in the same direction.

Australia used to be the best country in the world, and I don't mean that hyperbolically. Unfortunately while it is still pretty good by global standards, it is rapidly tumbling and will soon be terrible. It's already far worse than the country I enjoyed in the 80s and realised I was so incredibly lucky to be in in the 90s, and was horrified to see taking such a hideous turn in the 00s (well, it took the turn earlier, I recognised that in the mid 90s, but didn't realise how bad it would get until the 00s).

Australians are extremely apathetic and naive. That comes from multiple generations of extreme wealth, comfort and safety. They don't realise things can go badly, which is a big part of why they will, and at this point the signs are obvious to anyone with open eyes. Part of me feels sick every time I visit Australia, partly because I compare it to how it was, and partly because I compare it to the other countries I spend time in.

So, when I said that a ridiculous government system change wouldn't cause any problems, not even a small one, not the smallest little hiccup at all, you can be sure it was sarcasm.

Having said all this, Australia is still a very easy, comfortable place to live where you can make an absolute fortune even working in a basic job anyone can walk straight into. Most don't appreciate what they have, which shows how soft Australians have become, which is a prelude to the disaster Australia has in the near future.

sad but true