Primary school teachers

[junglist*]

THe site you posted slimy is incorrect. It is not MDMA which causes all of the symptoms described, but serotonin. This is the neurotransmitter which is released by the brain when MDMA is present. MDMA leaves NO HINDERANCE TO SLEEP, does not affect you dramatically over the proceeding days/weeks.

It is the adulterants which are responsible for this.

People whoa re vulnerable to depression and mental problems such as anxiety are more likely to develop problems once the effect of the substance has worn off, not during the active period.

 

[Earthling]

Junglist you are a goldmine of information on this topic and I salute you..insert salute smiley here.

I have only done a Tafe course on Drugs and Alcohol and found it amazingly enlightning and also very disturbing how manipulative Governments and the press can be (and have been) regarding all facists of drugs and the individual.
More people such as yourself are needed in this War on Drug Miseducation!
Keep up the good work.

It truely saddens me how many deaths are related to miseducation about a drug or total lack of appropriate education.

 

[waruikazi]

I work with kids and i will be a qualified teacher in less than a year. I experiment with ecstacy. It DOES NOT EFFECT MY ABILITY TO WORK WITH KIDS. I do my job well and effectively, if i thought i wasn't then i would do something else and i'm sure others would tell me to lift my game if i wasn't.

Apart from the parents of the kids i work with i think very few people would come as close to me in regard to how much i, and their teacher, care for the kids i am involved with. I am positive the teacher in question feels the same way if she doesn't she shouldn't be a teacher.

IMO and in my experience alcohol does far worse things than ecstacy to both teachers and other people in our society. I would much rather a kid see me pinging than being legless drunk.

 

[MrBredli]

I agree with junglist*, Earthling and waruikazi. There is a lot of misinformation out there and most of it comes from the government! Harm minimization is the only way to go. You'd be amazed at how many actual lives would be saved if the funding that the government wastes on non-realistic, scare-tactic, false advertising instead went towards harm minimisation, particularly to pill testing and education programs. SBS did a terrific show a few years back which may just open a few peoples eyes. You can download it here but it is a huge file, don't even think about it if you're on dial up. http://www.fullreleases.com/NewMembers/pre_download-SBS-Insight-17-05-05-Dealing-With-Drugs.php?id=387878&aid=&files=c2VsZWN0IExpbmtzLiosIChtYXRjaChEZXNjcmlwdGlvbikgYWdhaW5zdCgnQ3JlZGl0IEluc2lnaHQnIElOIEJPT0xFQU4gTU9ERSkpIGFzIHJlbGV2YW5jZSBmcm9tIExpbmtzIHdoZXJlIChtYXRjaChEZXNjcmlwdGlvbikgYWdhaW5zdCgnQ3JlZGl0IEluc2lnaHQnIElOIEJPT0xFQU4gTU9ERSkpICBvcmRlciBieSByZWxldmFuY2UgZGVzYw%3D%3D

 

[da_donkey]

I Know some of my teachers were on Trips...............................Power Trips.

I do not do or condone drug use, but if the person in question was a good teacher and my child liked him/her, who cares what they might do on the weekend.

Donk

 

[Mangy_Wombat]

Teachers should be setting the right example to the children they teach. That includes not using and promoting the use of illegal drugs. If I found my daughters teacher was a drug user I'd want that teacher removed.

My personal opinion is that if any teacher is proven to be an illegal drug user then they should be removed from their position and banned from teaching. Not to mention charged and dealt with by the courts.

 

[Forensick]

See I think drugs have done good things for us, I really do.
And if you don't believe that drugs have done good things for us, do me a favor.
Go home tonight, take all your albums, all your tapes, all your cds and burn them.
'Cause you know what, the musicians who made all that great music that has enhanced your lives throught the years?
Real ******ing high on drugs.

_____________________________________________________
It's not a war on drugs, it's a war on person freedom is what it is, OK? Keep that in mind at all times, thank you.

 

[cris]

My original post and poll where very poorly written because i was completely wasted(legally) :lol:

I dont think this person taking drugs will affect their ability to teach, someone i know is actually becoming a teacher after being in a mental institute for some time from the effects of taking pills, he would be able to tell them what can happen very easily, i think he could make a great teacher. On the other hand someone who can handle their drugs(possibly) but goes around telling other ppl its OK to try them if you think you can control your habit shouldnt be teaching IMO.

 

[lol93]

I'm a primary school teacher, and I would say that as long as it in no way affects their work or professional life then it's up to them what they do. I know a few colleagues who have experimented with drugs, but don't take them on a regular basis.

 

[OzRocks]

To put it simply no one should be experimenting with drugs....only recently ive had a huge argument over the affects of drugs in the family....and no drugs should be tolerated with anyone anywhere its that simple!!!

 

[Earthling]

My original post and poll where very poorly written because i was completely wasted(legally) :lol:

I dont think this person taking drugs will affect their ability to teach, someone i know is actually becoming a teacher after being in a mental institute for some time from the effects of taking pills, he would be able to tell them what can happen very easily, i think he could make a great teacher. On the other hand someone who can handle their drugs(possibly) but goes around telling other ppl its OK to try them if you think you can control your habit shouldnt be teaching IMO.

Cris I fail to see the negative link between teaching and a Teacher who can handle their drugs and tells other people in their private life to try it if they think they can handle it (remember their is absolutely no evidence or reason to believe she would promote drug use to her students). In my way of thinking this teacher would be an asset if they teach children the same way they teach about drugs in their private life.
Basically she is saying if you think you can do something...then go and do it! Good life philosphy in my books. Something that should be promoted more in our school and life system.
Perhaps the only thing which she may or may not have said (as you were high on drugs yourself and may have missed it :lol: ) which would help people (and should be promoted as it does save lives), is to research and educate yourself about the drug in question before you try the drug. This would allow the individual to make an informed decision about their drug of choice. Not an illegal drugs baaaaaad....legal drugs goooooood mentality.
Then you would be truely taking charge of your life.

 

[slim6y]

See I think drugs have done good things for us, I really do.
And if you don't believe that drugs have done good things for us, do me a favor.
Go home tonight, take all your albums, all your tapes, all your cds and burn them.
'Cause you know what, the musicians who made all that great music that has enhanced your lives throught the years?
Real ******ing high on drugs.

_____________________________________________________
It's not a war on drugs, it's a war on person freedom is what it is, OK? Keep that in mind at all times, thank you.

ABSOLUTE RUBBISH!!! What a total crock!!!

Just one psychadelic trance band - the most likely to use hallucinagens (apparently) one of the biggest names in psy trance absolutely do not use drugs and promote the non-use of drugs at their concerts... This band (group) is Infected Mushroom - and if you read in the papers 10 people were arrested in Cairns on drug related charges at their recent weekend concert... Something Infected Mushroom never promote is drugs...

I might only have come up with one band out of millions, but I can guarantee they're not alone.

Most of you drug users are trying to justify what is actually very harmful to you and society.

And yes, it is only in 10% (or some stat that you will be able to quote junglist) where people misuse drugs or overuse drugs or do something stupid on drugs or have a reaction to the drugs or so on and so on... But even if it is 10% - that's a huge amount of population of drug users... Even if it's 1% that has some adv erse affect, it's still 1% too many...

I don't say alcohol isn't the same... I would say statistically speaking it's easier to make findings on the use of alcohol than the use of drugs.

The drug foundation of NZ is NOT government funded... If the stuff they put on their website is incorrect, which I doubt it is, but i would say at the least it's simplified to allow the common drug user to understand as part and parcel of 'education' then the stuff you're reading may also be incorrect.

I doubt that the long term benefits of drug use out wiegh the long term side effects, and if you want to continue using drugs, do so at your own peril, don't encourage others. Keep it to yourselves.

But - to slightly contradict - I think the most dangerous drug on earth at the moment is fat... Fat appears to be more addictive than nicotine and it shows...

So should we ban fat teachers?

 

[slim6y]

Cris I fail to see the negative link between teaching and a Teacher who can handle their drugs and tells other people in their private life to try it if they think they can handle it (remember their is absolutely no evidence or reason to believe she would promote drug use to her students). In my way of thinking this teacher would be an asset if they teach children the same way they teach about drugs in their private life.
Basically she is saying if you think you can do something...then go and do it! Good life philosphy in my books. Something that should be promoted more in our school and life system.
Perhaps the only thing which she may or may not have said (as you were high on drugs yourself and may have missed it :lol: ) which would help people (and should be promoted as it does save lives), is to research and educate yourself about the drug in question before you try the drug. This would allow the individual to make an informed decision about their drug of choice. Not an illegal drugs baaaaaad....legal drugs goooooood mentality.
Then you would be truely taking charge of your life.

the problem is earthling... finding good information - junglist says it's all wrong.. drugs are good for you, forensick says everyone is doing it, the greatest people on earth do it, so should you.

The drug foundation of NZ says - do it at your own risk, here is what we know... but kjunglist says it's wrong, it has to be, the government conspire against the manufacture of drugs even though they know it's good for you...

So where do you start to find this education... apparently all that I was taught is wrong...

Even doing 2 years of toxicology, all that stuff was wrong too...

I can't believe I spent $3000 per year doing a great university course to be told it was all wrong on a snake website... Oh well...

Education is the key, yes, as it is with almost everything, but getting the correct information from non-biased sources is the important part... The doctors who see it, the scientists who test it, and the drug users that exeprience it... No where else... Not off here... Informed choices can only be made by informed persons...

 

[waruikazi]

How many people here who are getting up on their high horse telling teachers what they can and can't do in their own private lives has ever taken a pill?

 

[slim6y]

How many people here who are getting up on their high horse telling teachers what they can and can't do in their own private lives has ever taken a pill?

Think of it this way - How many people here (who follow rugby union) were on their high horse telling Wendel Sailor not to do cocaine?

I don't think it stops at a teacher - I think it goes further than that...

I think what the teacher does is their own business - it becomes the worlds business when they brag about it...

If I were to do something illegal, or something that could impede my position as a teacher, i don't think I would brag about it at all... So who cares whose horse these people are on - they're saying what they think is right - and even if they have taken a pill.. doesn't mean they do now...

I used to smoke cigerettes - do I tell people NOT to? Nope... I suggest there's evidence showing it's harmful but I do not brag about my ex-smooking (until now apparenlty ). So high horse? I doubt it... Beliefs... Yep, that's what it is - whether informed or not!

 

[waruikazi]

So from that ramble i am assuming no you have never tried a pill. The point i am making from that rhetorical question is unless you have tried one you don't have the insight into what they do to people. You are relying on second hand information to make your decision.

And who is bragging about it? If a teacher or anyone else went and bragged about it to their kids then i reckon they should be locked up. But somehow i doubt that a good teacher would do that.

 

[slim6y]

So from that ramble i am assuming no you have never tried a pill. The point i am making from that rhetorical question is unless you have tried one you don't have the insight into what they do to people. You are relying on second hand information to make your decision.

And who is bragging about it? If a teacher or anyone else went and bragged about it to their kids then i reckon they should be locked up. But somehow i doubt that a good teacher would do that.

I doubt a good teacher would brag either - but what they do in public can also have consequences and they do have to be aware of that - it's no different to politicians or our top sportsman...

And no - I have never used hard drugs or taken illegal pills. I have used asprin, paracetamol and antibiotics - but never any illicit substance that was not prescribed...

I think I had pethadine when in hospital years and years ago - but I can't remember that....

 

[junglemad]

i don't think your 6 grand was wasted.

 

[Forensick]

the problem is earthling... finding good information - junglist says it's all wrong.. drugs are good for you, forensick says everyone is doing it, the greatest people on earth do it, so should you.

er..... i didn' say everyone is doing it....
i kind of said i didnt, including tobacco and alcohol.
in fact i also said i had tried a few tings and found them boring.

nor did i encourage other people to, it is their choice, and its no one elses buisness so long as it doesnt affect them.

and as for "some of the greatest people", i believe i mentioned politicians and AFL players....
only difference between the 2 i can see is that a politician can't get you pregnant when they rape you. not something that qualifies for greatest people on earth.

 

[Earthling]

Informed choices can only be made by informed persons...

Very nice sentence.
In this day and age with so many different parties and special interest groups sprouting out all sorts of statements and tests and statistics about drugs and drug use it is hard for people to wade through it all. However, until people have a proactive harm minimisation approach from our powers that be, wade through it they must if they want to take drug taking healthily. Unfortunately most people will not even be aware of the risks they are putting themselves into and the harmfull situaltions.......just because our powers that be would rather demonise drug taking and users thus killing many innocent victims as of 'ignorance' of safe drug taking measures.

Jungilist is right...I know it sounds radical,but he is right..My lecturer for the Alcohol and Other Drugs course taught us the same things. The Lecturer was an undercovercop who realised the current approach is just killing people and the way ahead is harm minimisation. Proactive not Reactive. If you react after the event its to late the event has taken place...however if you react in a positive manner before the event has taken place a more desirous result will usually take place.