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Is it good for a year 3 teacher to experiment with hard illegal drugs?

  • Yes its an idviduals choice what illegal drugs they choose to use

    Votes: 18 14.5%
  • Primary school teachers shouldnt use hard drugs and should be setting a good example

    Votes: 83 66.9%
  • who cares

    Votes: 12 9.7%
  • using recreational drugs isnt a criminal offence, just litghten up

    Votes: 11 8.9%

  • Total voters
    124
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er..... i didn' say everyone is doing it....
i kind of said i didnt, including tobacco and alcohol.
in fact i also said i had tried a few tings and found them boring.

nor did i encourage other people to, it is their choice, and its no one elses buisness so long as it doesnt affect them.

and as for "some of the greatest people", i believe i mentioned politicians and AFL players....
only difference between the 2 i can see is that a politician can't get you pregnant when they rape you. not something that qualifies for greatest people on earth.

AYE???

I'm no longer convinced experimenting with drugs does not have short or long term effects...

You didn't need to say that - you were promoting it as something that many famous people do... These people may be role models for many of our young... and in some cases old...

Earthling - i do agree with harm minimisation - and I think it is the correct way to go, it is just unlikely that the right people will get the right information - that's the tough part. And having teachers who enjoy getting wasted in the weekends may also not be the best people to impart their knowledge for harm minimisation - then yet again, it could be to their advantage!
 
er, forgive my lack of eloquence, i have been studying all night.

but you will find i didn't say everyone was doing it.
nor was i "promoting" it as something famous people do.

we were talking role models, and yes these people are role models, and my point, way back when, was, that if they do take drugs and it is not common knowledge (just as students wouldnt know about the teacher), how can it have a effect on people that look up to them.

and even when it does become common knowledge i don't see every 10 year old wannabe cricketer rushing out to take preformance enhancing drugs, or sexually assault women, just because shane warne does.
 
AYE???
Earthling - i do agree with harm minimisation - and I think it is the correct way to go, it is just unlikely that the right people will get the right information - that's the tough part. And having teachers who enjoy getting wasted in the weekends may also not be the best people to impart their knowledge for harm minimisation - then yet again, it could be to their advantage!

Goodo.
The teachers who enjoy getting wasted occasionally may be the best people to teach harm minimisation especially if they practice what they preach. Walk the walk, talk the talk......
 
this thread is making me laugh, people referign to groups of people as "drug users" etc.
if someone drinks ocne a month do you see people saying "hey look stay away they are alcoholics or drunks"

i can assure you, that it is not just teachers who experiment with drugs.
chances are that every day you talk to a few people who have done drugs casually or experimentaly.

to be honest, i would rather a teacher of my kids go out on the weekend n have a pill, or have a joint then go out and get **** faced drunk or be in the school yard smoking ciggeretes.

some of you need to get off your high horse and open your eyes. The problem with the world is that people are demonised for casual/experimental drug use. Its there life, why kick the hell out of them for it. I can assure you, if you havent tried drugs once in your life, your kids will.

this thread is a joke.
 
See I think drugs have done good things for us, I really do.
And if you don't believe that drugs have done good things for us, do me a favor.
Go home tonight, take all your albums, all your tapes, all your cds and burn them.
'Cause you know what, the musicians who made all that great music that has enhanced your lives throught the years?
Real ******ing high on drugs.

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It's not a war on drugs, it's a war on person freedom is what it is, OK? Keep that in mind at all times, thank you.


And to add to your quote of Mr Hicks,
"Why is it that we never hear of good news drug stories, its always Boy took acid thought he could fly, jumped off the roof. Bad drugs. Its never, Today a young man took some acid and realised that we are all just matter condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one conciousness experiencing itself subjectively, Haha, Back to you Tom with the weather"...

I mean have you ever seen a duck take the elevator to the top of a building and jump off just to see if it could fly?? Here's and idea, Try flapping your arms on the ground to see if it works.

Oh, Mr slimy, not once have i said that drugs are necessarily good for you. But the fact of the matter is that they have many uses for us, and to just put a blanket ban on a substance because it MAY harm someone is ludicrous. It is lack of education and stigmatisation which is causing the major harm and damage to society as a whole.

If the major problem associated with a drug/activity is addiction, then banning the substance because it could addict someone is idiotic. It would be better to fully inform people of the risks of becoming addicted, provide active support if someone does become addicted and ensure that they do not become disconnected from society just because of a health problem.

If you believe that the government is not lying to you about this issue then look again. Looka t the history, look at the cheap political point scoring that goes on about being tough on drugs. It is not having an impact, in fact it is making things worse.

While the government will pat itself on the back for reducing the amount of heroin related deaths, and the amount of people overdosing, and the amount of people having heroin addictions, they are at the same time very very scared about ice. Now ice is nothing at all new to the scene, but purity levels and availability have sky rocketed since the hard line on heroin was taken. Considering the strain on an already crippled mental health system, which was not too affected by heroin abusers, this plague is 100% government caused.

Addictions are noted for many behaviours and compulsions, however it is a noted fact that the behaviour of an IV drug user/abuser will relate not only to the substance being injected, but the instant rush from injecting a substance itself. Consider two of the most common methods of delivery for recreational use of both the opiates and for crystalline methamphetamine are IV injection, it can be clearly sen that the statistics being used by the government for not only the reduction of heroin user is directly related to the jump in methamphetamine users.

The way they use these statistics is very very similar to the current unemployment figures. They do not relate to the amount of people in full time work, but to the people involved in even 5 hours of work every week or even every fortnight. These people are no longer classed as unemployed - thus we see very low figures, and artificially so.

If you cannot see how you are being deceived by our elected representatives on the drugs issue and many others i have only one thing to say to you BAAAAAAAAAAAA BAAAAAAAAAAAA. Go back to sleep.
 
If you cannot see how you are being deceived by our elected representatives on the drugs issue and many others i have only one thing to say to you BAAAAAAAAAAAA BAAAAAAAAAAAA. Go back to sleep.

Junglist.....having a dig and personally critisising people for their views is usually the sure fire way to get them to not listen to you. Their defense shield goes up and no matter how much truth you throw at them they will deny it. Notice how nobody has said anything in this thread for a while? Defense mode....not listening.
This especially goes for a subject that has been rammed with a big stick into their brain since knee high to a grasshopper. The majority of people believe drugs are BAD Fullstop and all people who have anything to do with illegal drugs are bad and should be punished with severity. To convince them otherwise is going to take time....and unfortunately more lives.
Most people dont want to change.....change is bad....they prefer to stay safe where they are, they know this reality, to change what they think to something the total opposite is a very confronting process for the majority of people.....especially conservatives. Thats what we have to accept is the line and step up to it if we want to make a differnce.....or we can mount personal attacks..............
Passion in argument is good, it shows that you truely believe what you are talking about......however to critisize others if they dont swing to your side immediately just pushes them away more.
Educate if you want to make a difference......personally attack if you want to make no difference.
 
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I just stopped posting in here because I have really said all i can say with the knowledge that I have at present. And apart from what i have seen in the real world (working with young people) I can't honeslty say there's NO 'good' (illegal) drug use. But again, as you have always put it throughout this thread, harm minimisation is the only way we're going to control the growing number of fatalaties in this country and the world.

But to say the least... As always, with any human on earth, goodness always starts at the home!
 
But to say the least... As always, with any human on earth, goodness always starts at the home!

Yes and unfortunately when the home has not enough goodness for any particular human unfortunatly the rest of society has to pick up the pieces.
But hey isnt that what we are here for....to support ourselves and others.....
Or condemn........

Mencius says"The disease of men is this: that they neglect their own fields and go to weed the fields of others."

Jesus says "Judge not and ye shall not be judged; condmen not, and ye shall not be condemned."
 
quite frankly earthling, i have been educaing people on this issue for so long now that its begining to mimic the exact statement i made before. People who will not accept that as a whole, the species known as politician lying buggerii will never ever tell them the truth as it stands and will only ever give them enough information to militarise the lowest common denominator into emotive action.

Good and Evil are pathetically constructed lies about our species. If you want confirmation of this read richard dawkins book, the GOD delusion.

My comment was not a personal attack at anyone in particular. However i believe that my comment still holds truth. The government does not want its members to think for themselves and question authority, (i thought this was the corner stone of democracy), It want to pull the wool over the eyes of the populace and in my opinion the only people who will allow them to continually do so are sheep. BAAAAAAAAA BAAAAAAAAAA Vote FOr Howard, He's Honest BAAAAAAAAAA BAAAAAAAAA. WAKE UP PEOPLE
 
just like people can't accept that if we measure unenployment the way we did in the 80's it is at an all time high.....
but for political expediency, like in all things, you alter facts till they suit your needs...
worked 5 hours in the last fortnight (incl work for the dole), not unemployed.
not "actively" seeking work, not unemployed....

but we trust these people no matter how much people say they don't
follow along like blind sheeple, being scarded of men with beards, and people with pills...

i second that BAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

wake up! this country needs a ******* shake up!
 
Yeah I see where your coming from Junglist. All good. Just came across a bit harsh thats all.
Dont give up...keep educating though.
Perhaps politics is your next project!?
More educated free thinkers that go into politics the better....many of the public is waiting for a new leader. The times are ripe for a new party. A party based on Educating could go a long way.

As to mans 'bad and good'...definetly man made concepts that have no place in the normal universe, however humans continue to grasp at it. Perhaps because it makes them feel worthy....condeming 'bad' people, 'bad' practices, 'bad' ideas.

I contacted the library re:Richard Dawkins book, The GOD Delusion......17 copies they have and all out and a waiting list of over 100.....POPULAR
 
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Furthermore, MDMA is now being trialled in the USA for treatment of post traumatic stress disorder. Before it was banned in the USA some pschologists/psychiatrists/psychotherapists were prescribing it to both themselves and their patients during sessions. One was quoted as saying they made more progress in one session using MDMA then they would make in 3 months of normal therapy!
 
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Many ppl want a new leader, but no one votes in members from ouside the 2 major parties. what is wrong with ppl i will never know.
 
I suppose they did have some following. I think the motivations there for wanting a new leader were all wrong though.
 
ONE letter between use and Abuse the majority of people falling into the trap of ABUSE.
Canberra white collar workers are the biggest group of recreational Herion users seemingly with no affects to their lives this is I think is more unusual than the norm.

I see where I work the effects of drugs daily from so called harmeless smoko to hard core intravenous.

Smoko now is not harmeless the pushing with chemicals to get better quicker higher yeilds is causing a huge amount of drug induced psychosis amongst our young.
 
Furter more, MDMA is now being trialled in the USA for treatment of post traumatic stress disorder. Before it was banned in the USA some pschologists/psychiatrists/psychotherapists were prescribing it to both themselves and their patients during sessions. One was quoted as saying they made more progress in one session using MDMA then they would make in 3 months of normal therapy!

LSD was also used to treat the PTSD symptoms and the same comment was made.

Drugs are not bad, but they need to be used responsibly, even for recreation. Our government will not even make real moves to counter the toxic nature of the two most popular and damaging drugs available by education. Nothing is done to educate kids on how to deal with these substances responsibly, its still an all or nothing approach.

I will never venture into politics, because i dont know if you have noticed that the ideaological ones who go in, quickly get turned around and become sycophantic little slimeballs. Michael costa is one of these. He used to be a campaginer for drugs policy change, but one sniff of power, he becomes demonspawn (kinda funny because i do no believe in gods devils ghosts etc)
 
Ultimately it is up to the individual what they do, but in my opinion, no one that works with kids should be taking those kind of drugs... it's called 'Suicide Tuesday' for a reason :rolleyes:
 
ONE letter between use and Abuse the majority of people falling into the trap of ABUSE.
Canberra white collar workers are the biggest group of recreational Herion users seemingly with no affects to their lives this is I think is more unusual than the norm.

I see where I work the effects of drugs daily from so called harmeless smoko to hard core intravenous.

Smoko now is not harmeless the pushing with chemicals to get better quicker higher yeilds is causing a huge amount of drug induced psychosis amongst our young.

TOTALLY WRONG.

No matter the observations you have made, the incidence of psychosis increase may have more to do with differing scales of diagnosis than anything else. Also read the post i made earlier. Its the self medication of pre-existant conditions, not the condition is caused by marijuana.

Isnt this an argument for legalisation so that everyone can grow their own????

and there are two letters difference. Use = 3 letters, ABUSE = 5 letters.
 
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