Primary school teachers

[junglist*]

Ultimately it is up to the individual what they do, but in my opinion, no one that works with kids should be taking those kind of drugs... it's called 'Suicide Tuesday' for a reason

Those types of drugs??? The drug is wonderful. Less toxic than alcohol, less chance of getting macho and wanting to fight with the guy next to you for looking at you funny, more chance of actually connecting with people who you may not have felt comfortable conversing with before??

MDMA should be legalised in the interests of having a cohesive community. Sure it can be abused, but so can sniffing petrol. What are we going to do ban petrol?

If you know nothing about the drugs then you have no valid input to make so i suggest educating yourself before you make yourself sound uneducated again.

 

[phantomcat]

all i can say is that if they screen for drugs in alot of work environments (one of my mates works for bundy rum and he and his workmates get screened regularly) why are they not doing the same in jobs with a high level of responsibility?

i agree that something like taking illicit drugs is a personal choice, after all they are the one that has to live with the consequences if it all goes wrong.
BUT i do think it strange that jobs, like teaching and other positions where they are employed by the government and the level of responsibility is so high, dont , at this stage, have testing along these lines.
some other countries do test certain government jobs. In the private sector it is up to the indervidual company, and i know of quite a few who do.

that said the person in question in this particular instance obviously wasnt real discreet in what they were doing in their personal life, or else she wouldnt've gotten caught.

non smoker, lemon-lime and bitters drinker, never-taken-drugs-ever (saw too many of my mates die because of drugs) and my personal opinion is that i dont aggree with taking drugs ever, cause i've seen first hand how it can and will stuff you up good and proper.

but hey , live and let live.

 

[grimbeny]

if the letters fall consecutivly in the alphabet, it doesnt matter how many of them their is they count as one letter. God i dont know who is educating todays public, probably some pill poppers or somthing.

 

[junglist*]

if the letters fall consecutivly in the alphabet, it doesnt matter how many of them their is they count as one letter. God i dont know who is educating todays public, probably some pill poppers or somthing.

Well looks like its back to kindergarten for me then. If that theory holds then i guess its only a single letter alphabet. Thats gonna screw people up who need to sing the song to remember the letters.

Phantom cat, You mean to inform us that someone who works in a fatory manufacturing drugs is tested for drug use?? Oh geez. Could it be that working in a factory like that presents many possibilities for injuring others through inattentiveness??? I think thats why it is. Nothing else makes sense.

But on the question of MDMA or other amphetamines anyway, they're excreted by the body within 72 hours anyway, so thats not to say that those guys dont take drugs.

The person has NOT been caught it was told to the person who started the thread in conversation.

Do you hold some deluded eternal life theory pantomcat?? Do you believe that just because you missed out on so many exciting and fun things that you are somewhat more entitled not to die than the rest of us??

Here's a little gem i've got for you and from your statement i KNOW THAT YOU DONT KNOW IT.........................................


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NON SMOKERS DIE EVERY DAY!


You can make your choices, but just like those with religious intolerance (read right wing conservative america, australia and the UK to mention only a few), But why do you have to force them upon others.

 

[nickamon]

RE was fine... the course work was clearly defined so he knew what we needed to do, if anything i feel it allowed for greater discussion in class, as i have been shot down by many an RE teacher for asking "why" and kicked out for blaspheming


i have had lecturers do that in physiology, biology, and biochemistry.
remember lecturers are researchers too... and sometimes they are in the process of, or recently have, discovered something new, that kinda of contradicts existing knowledge, but it hasn't made into into course material yet.
lectureres are fanatical about their research....
and science does constantly evolve

sometimes hough its as simple as a lecturer feeling that there is a better way to teach something.

Kids like you provided me with entertainment in RE classes. The rest of the time, I just ignored the teacher.

I did arts, so I never had contact with science lecturers. I've become really interested in science since graduating, so I kinda wish I'd studied that instead.

 

[phantomcat]

dude bundy rum is not what i would consider an illicit drug lol.
and he's a computer programmer for them, he doesnt even get to smell the stuff let alone be involved in the preparation of the rum!
lol
it is just a stance that his employers have taken, everyone who is employed by them is tested regularly.

 

[junglist*]

dude bundy rum is not what i would consider an illicit drug lol.
and he's a computer programmer for them, he doesnt even get to smell the stuff let alone be involved in the preparation of the rum!
lol
it is just a stance that his employers have taken, everyone who is employed by them is tested regularly.

but it is still a drug, thats my point.

 

[phantomcat]

evidently i have read the initial post that started this thread incorrectly.
my apologies for offending you.

but read my original post again and settle down.
i raised a point that i thought it strange that some government jobs that carry high responsibility like teaching, dont have drug testing.
all in my own opinion. which last i checked was ok to do.
so your opinion differs from my own, big deal. Thats a good thing. Who wants to have the exact same opinion as every one else? Society as we know it would never get anywhere if we all aggreed with one another.
I arrived at my personal stance on drugs through experiences that affected me personally, i didnt arrive at this conclusion because someone else told me what to think.
so just chill.

 

[Bryony]

bah!
bugger the judges and teachers ect! let them do what they like....as long as its not within school times.....its called weekend for a reason lol

I would be more worried about public transport people (plains, trains, busses , taxis ect), bank tellers, window washers, mechanics ect taking illicit drugs a then going to work on the monday......


and just to put it out there... there is more alcoholics out there than addicts

 

[junglist*]

evidently i have read the initial post that started this thread incorrectly.
my apologies for offending you.

but read my original post again and settle down.
i raised a point that i thought it strange that some government jobs that carry high responsibility like teaching, dont have drug testing.
all in my own opinion. which last i checked was ok to do.
so your opinion differs from my own, big deal. Thats a good thing. Who wants to have the exact same opinion as every one else? Society as we know it would never get anywhere if we all aggreed with one another.
I arrived at my personal stance on drugs through experiences that affected me personally, i didnt arrive at this conclusion because someone else told me what to think.
so just chill.

HIGH RESPONSIBILITY??? Teaching?? you must be kidding me. Whatever a teachers chooses to do in theri own time as ling as it does not endanger the kids they have in their care should be their own choice. Taking a pill on the weekend hardly endangers the kids, pther than to the danger of being indoctrinated to think for themselves.

We cant fund ourrhospitals and schools as it is, so how on earth could this be funded.

 

[Earthling]

so your opinion differs from my own, big deal. Thats a good thing. Who wants to have the exact same opinion as every one else? Society as we know it would never get anywhere if we all aggreed with one another.

But there are times when we must and do agree with each other....
Remember slavery?
Remember women not being able to vote?
Remember Aboriginals being treated as Fauna?

Before the passing of each new law regarding the above three freedoms there was great debate and many people were not prepared to look at the truth of the matter.........so it continues.....

 

[buck]

I wasn't aware that ecstasy was a hard drug either. It always amazes me that amount of people that comment on and condemn, something that they never intend to try themselves.
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So using your logic if I never intend to try heroin I am in no position to say that I think it is a dangerous drug?? Interesting!!!!


For everyone using the same old alcohol and tabacco lines, you can't make any comparison until other drugs are as readily available as these are and consumed in the same numbers. Who is to say that some of these other "softer" drugs won't pose similar problems when/if able to be consumed in comparable quantities? Just to clarify I am in no way saying that there isn't problems with acohol and tabacco. It just annoys the crap out of me when people who are questioned about their recreational drug use seem to use the "alcohol and tabacco are a bigger problem" line.

I only hope that some of the younger members of this site who were until this thread unsure whether to take drugs don't think that it's ok to go and try them. I think some of the posts in this thread, considering the fact that it is a family site where it will be veiwed by young teens, are just plain irresponsible. Junglist what you have said may well be correct but think about what will be seen through the eyes of a young teen when they read your "the government is lying, drugs are good" posts.

Byrony an alcoholic is an addict. The addiction being alcohol.

 

[phantomcat]

i agree with what you are saying earthling.
But please dont take what i was saying to junglist out of context.
The fact that he and i dont share the same personal view on drugs is not necessarily a bad thing.
That doesnt mean that i think it's ok for anyone to ear-bash or force their own opinions on anyone else.
But without people discussing things that they feel are issues, and actually listening to each other, exchanging ideas/opinions/information no progress will ever be made. Because if everyone had the exact same opinion on everything we would never get anywhere.
but i think we're getting side-tracked here.
the discussion was originally about illicit drugs. Yes legal drugs do alot of damage too, but the thing that started this whole topic was not the (still rageing) debate about what is or is not a drug, or what my personal opinion on illicit drugs is or isnt.
i raised a point about testing (which i was not the first to do) and junglist didnt agree, now we move on.

 

[junglist*]

So using your logic if I never intend to try heroin I am in no position to say that I think it is a dangerous drug?? Interesting!!!!


For everyone using the same old alcohol and tabacco lines, you can't make any comparison until other drugs are as readily available as these are and consumed in the same numbers. Who is to say that some of these other "softer" drugs won't pose similar problems when/if able to be consumed in comparable quantities? Just to clarify I am in no way saying that there isn't problems with acohol and tabacco. It just annoys the crap out of me when people who are questioned about their recreational drug use seem to use the "alcohol and tabacco are a bigger problem" line.

I only hope that some of the younger members of this site who were until this thread unsure whether to take drugs don't think that it's ok to go and try them. I think some of the posts in this thread, considering the fact that it is a family site where it will be veiwed by young teens, are just plain irresponsible. Junglist what you have said may well be correct but think about what will be seen through the eyes of a young teen when they read your "the government is lying, drugs are good" posts.

Byrony an alcoholic is an addict. The addiction being alcohol.

Quite frankly, your post is moronic. yes alcohol and tobacco are far bigger problems, simply because people think that because they are legal, they must not be bad for you. (stupid idea). The research has indicated the MDMA has very very few deletorious effects on the human brain at recreational doses.

I hope that the younger members of this forum read what i am typing and take it on board. If you bothered to read my posts, i am advocating intelligent informed choice and decisions about substances which are not fully discussed past a drugs are bad ok, nonsensical drug education policy in schools.
I am not advocating that everyone go out and take drugs, but this is generally the standpoint that people whoa re anti drugs assign to any individual who would rock the boat.

These drugs are dangerous IF ABUSED. But use does not necessarily equate to abuse. Kids inform yourselves of the information, and do not let others push you into making a decision you are not confortable with.

Drugs are a tool to be used, and they can be used responsibly, but the people need to move towards making their voices heard on this issue.

As to the comparable levels of use idea you postulated.

The netherlands legalised marijuana and decriminlaised many drugs. Their incidence of marijuana use is about 250% below the levels recorded within america and australia, two countries which prohibit the drugs. Thats a message which needs to be put out there.

Yes the drugs may be harmful if youtake too many, but a large bus to the head will have a far quicker action on the cessation of life.

 

[cris]

Yes the drugs may be harmful if youtake too many, but a large bus to the head will have a far quicker action on the cessation of life.

Funny you should say that, i know someone who has been hit in the head with a bus and the damage it caused is insignificant next to the damage they have done to themselves through taking pills.
They were well educated about the side effects of using and always used to say how stupid it was for ppl to take them etc. now they cant enjoy a night out without them and claim to have many problems caused by them.

 

[junglist*]

Funny you should say that, i know someone who has been hit in the head with a bus and the damage it caused is insignificant next to the damage they have done to themselves through taking pills.
They were well educated about the side effects of using and always used to say how stupid it was for ppl to take them etc. now they cant enjoy a night out without them and claim to have many problems caused by them.

funny, i know some people like that too, but the average person will go out and be unable to stay away from a beer wine etc, and is this any different?

 

[cris]

funny, i know some people like that too, but the average person will go out and be unable to stay away from a beer wine etc, and is this any different?

Yes, alcohol is a very addictive drug and far less harmful to a persons mental well being, it does cause brain damage but not in the same way(or as dramitically), it does not retard the brains production of seratonin or severely damage short term memory. Alcohol doesnt change a persons personality either(although it can amplify bad traits). There is also the legal side and the fact that there are no safety standards for producing illegal drugs.

 

[junglist*]

Yes, alcohol is a very addictive drug and far less harmful to a persons mental well being, it does cause brain damage but not in the same way(or as dramitically), it does not retard the brains production of seratonin or severely damage short term memory. Alcohol doesnt change a persons personality either(although it can amplify bad traits). There is also the legal side and the fact that there are no safety standards for producing illegal drugs.

Incorrect. in fact it is just as dangerous to a person's mental health. In fact, the evidence is there that it actually does far more harm to a person's brain, just kids wont be toldthat because the government wants to sell it to them. Alcohol does severely damage a person's short term memory.

The seratonin syndrome you're speaking of is ehxibited only after prolonged continual exposure to MDMA. MDMA does not retard the production of seratonin, but it releases the stockpile, and so while the body replenishes its stockpile, the amount available is reduced. HOWEVER, at this point i must ass that if you are going to take it, its better if you pre load and post load with 5-HTP, the precursor to seratonin.

Alcohol can totally alter a person's personality by removing inhibitions, giving a god complex,, and also making people far more aggressive and violent than they would otherwise have been, or than they are when sober. But alcohol can actually bring some factor to the fore front of a person's personality, like brutal violence, rape sexual assault etc, MDMA does not do this.

Isn't the fact that there are no manufacturing standards for illicit substances reason enough to legalise them and monitor their production. We can never stop people taking substances, but that would be a good first step in harm minimisation. You have to accpet that people will take drugs no matter what, and that it is not the harm to the individual which is of ultimate importance, but the harm to the community as a whole. With this in mod, alcohol does far more damage than all of hte other drugs combined, even when the amount of people taking the substances is factored into the equation.

 

[slim6y]

I agree - alcohol is very dangerous, and probably more commonly abused than drugs...

Just don't ignore the fact, that while it is a fine line, there is a difference between therapeutic drugs (and alcohol) and abuse which society picks up the pieces of.

It's the latter that is of the major concern.

Both you and Earthling, and many others still agree that the correct education is the answer, not the scare tactics that are employed by the powers to be... But promotion of such drugs is not nesescary at all (by anyone).

Yes, take your drugs, enjoy them, increase your body temperature, feel your pulse at 150 - 200bpm without even lifting a finger, feel the effects of dehydration... watch you don't drink too much water... Watch that paranoia doesn't start to take hold... (This may not represent everyone or every drug, these symptoms may or may not occur - I am not talking just MDMA).

But one thing that shouldn't be done is promotion of the drug - and this thread, the way i read it, stated a teacher, someone with a bit of authority, maybe even power, the ability to change young childrens' minds - someone in front of a class room of eager young children, may have been taking drugs, and promoted such use to the extent of bragging in front of general public when it is known she is a teacher...

If you can't see there is something wrong with that scenario - even if it is so mildly wrong, without firstly saying but you drink alcohol or you speed, or did you ever break a law... That's not what this is about... this is about THAT teacher and their ability to promote a drug that is not only banned, but to some extent dangerous...

Can you see that this is not a perfect, not even a good situation?

 

[Julie-anne]

Those types of drugs??? The drug is wonderful. Less toxic than alcohol, less chance of getting macho and wanting to fight with the guy next to you for looking at you funny, more chance of actually connecting with people who you may not have felt comfortable conversing with before??

MDMA should be legalised in the interests of having a cohesive community. Sure it can be abused, but so can sniffing petrol. What are we going to do ban petrol?

If you know nothing about the drugs then you have no valid input to make so i suggest educating yourself before you make yourself sound uneducated again.

I never said anything about the affects people experience whilst on drugs, i just said that people working with children shouldnt be using it.

It is a known fact that 2 days after taking mdma or amphetamines your seratonin levels are so low that you experience what is known as 'Suicide Tuesday' or 'Suicide Monday' (depending on which day you took the drugs). From my experience i would not like to have these feelings while working with children as it would greatly affect my work and therefore have a negative outcome for the children.

Do not tell me that my opinion isn't valid (this is a public forum) and do not tell me that i'm not educated .