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I'm also going to add how absurd it is to be able to keep rabbits in WA, yet we can't keep most native reptile species. In QLD you can't keep rabbits at all! Everything is so backward here.
 
Snowman I'm already on it. She also knows fully how much I support this and that's not the sort of response I even expected from her. I think she's been brain washed :( I don't mind that it's her choice not to support it but to argue that DEC aren't in it for the money is astounding... I'm quite disappointed honestly.
 
I hope this explains why DEC aren’t making any moves to increase the species that are allowed to be kept in captivity, as it increases the illegal trade.


If your work collegue genuinly thinks this then they are retarded. Keeping lists and illegal collecting are 2 seperate issues and chaging one will never affect the other because the people wanting the keepers list expanded are doing the right thing. People illegally taking don't give 2 ******s what is or isn't on the list, they are taking it anyway.

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I'm also going to add how absurd it is to be able to keep rabbits in WA, yet we can't keep most native reptile species. In QLD you can't keep rabbits at all! Everything is so backward here.

Uhhh you can keep rabbits here hey? I'm sure I saw the garden center here selling them.
 
.... However expressing my opinion might just make someone think twice about it from a different perspective. Of course I don't think I'll change anyones minds on this forum, once again I know it's a battle that can't be won.....

Yep that's possibly true but certainly not with out informing yourself on the subject matter of the topic of the thread.
 
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I know, I tried telling her that. Apparently because our fine is only $10000 and there's no jail time here compared to $28000 and jail time in the eastern states makes them more likely to do it here....except if that were true it wouldn't make an inkling of difference because they'd already be doing it!!!!
 
To put it in perspective and as posted elsewhere,

Here is a typical email I send off to the Minister. If you are happy with the system the way it is then do nothing - but complaining on the forum and doing nothing is the ultimate waste of time. It might initially take a little time to type the first email but each time you send one off it gets easier and DOES make a difference.

Dear Minister,
I refer to my previous emails on the West Australian Herpetological Society’s submissions to your office and the Department of Environment & Conservation. In previous emails we have requested clarification from your department regarding the details of our last meeting with them (May 2011), which have still not been clarified – specifically the following point;

From: Stephen Wyndham
Sent: Tuesday, 31 May 2011 10:04 PM
To: Wyre, Gordon
Cc: Mell, David; [email protected]
Subject: DEC Wahs meeting

Increased Species

Gordon Wyre has requested the Department be provided by the society an initial list of 6 animals to be submitted for assessment of suitability for addition to an expanded species list. It is expected that the assessment of the initial six animals will take approximately 6 months and at this time a decision will be made on the addition of them to the keeping species list. It is would be reasonable to expect this to be at or near January 2012. It was also indicated; animals currently kept and established in captivity (in WA or interstate) with known husbandry care information, would best suited selection in the initial list as it would aid in the assessment process. This initial process of assessment will determine the additional resources required by the department to assess the larger list included in the societies submission to DEC. The Department expects that the assessment of the expanded list would be completed in 12 months after the initial list of 6 assessment period is completed – namely 12 to 18 months.


Department officer David Mell’s response, following, doesn’t clarify the society’s understanding of the meeting. The society has no faith in the department reviewing the approved keeping list in 5 years times as this was initially supposed to have taken place in 2005 and is still yet to take place in 2011. Any delay to expand the approved herpetofauna keeping list as outlined in the society’s submission is seen as a stalling tactic by DEC.

From: Mell, David [mailto:D[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, 20 July 2011 1:52 PM
To: Stephen Wyndham
Subject: WAHS Meeting

Increased Species – Expansion of the species list will be limited and will not be annual – perhaps the list would be reviewed every 5 years. DEC will use an initial 6 species provided by WAHS to assess and then review the process and time investment to determine impact on resources. At the conclusion of this process DEC will determine the extent to which further assessments can be made. Any additional species approved need to be added to the Regulations subject to Ministerial approval for them to be reflected in the list of pet herpetofauna. This process is not as onerous for example as amending the Act, but it does involve amending legislation.


It is difficult to understand the department’s reluctance to agree to expand the keeping list as outlined in our submission when many of the species requested and many of them endemic to the WA, are readily kept interstate. There are several python species in WA that the department has actively co-operated in exporting interstate (and then importing back again - despite the supposed risk of IBD), whose offspring are now available to the pet keeping hobby interstate – this in itself is not an issue, but the fact that the hobby in WA don’t have access to the same species on the approved keeping list beggars believe at the inequitable treatment of our own state’s government department.

I have included below the recent price list for John Weigel’s Snakeranch (below). John Weigel was involved with collecting the Rough Scale Pythons from north west WA and DEC provided him with the permits to export them, yet DEC hasn’t approved the animal for keeping in WA! I understand the department recently exported a number of the Rough Scale Pythons from the Broome office, again it is hard to understand the logic of this when they will end up in the pet trade for interstate hobbyists and not be available locally. Further to the Rough Scale python and also highlighted in green is the pygmy python which is again endemic to the state – WA keepers aren’t able to keep the animal but it is freely available to interstate keepers.

I would be astonished if your office didn’t see the incongruous treatment of the WA herpetofauna keeping hobby by the DEC as outlined in this email and as such I request the minister direct the department to approve the expanded keeping list as outlined in our submission.

Snake Ranch price list http://www.snakeranch.com.au/2020-price-list/
 
WA current keepers list.

Category 1
No species.
Category 2
Scientific name Common name
1. Egernia napoleonis South-Western Crevice Egernia
2. Gehyra variegata Tree Dtella
3. Heteronotia binoei Binoe’s Gecko
4. Litoria caerulea Northern Green Tree Frog
5. Litoria moorei Western Green Tree Frog
6. Pogona minor minor Western Bearded Dragon
7. Strophurus ciliaris Northern Spiny-tailed Gecko
8. Strophurus spinigerus South-west Spiny-tailed Gecko
9. Tiliqua multifasciata Centralian Bluetongue
10. Tiliqua occipitalis Western Bluetongue
11. Tiliqua rugosa rugosa Bobtail
Category 3
Scientific name Common name
12. Antaresia stimsoni Stimson’s Python
13. Chelodina oblonga Oblong Tortoise
14. Ctenophorus reticulatus Western Netted Dragon
15. Egernia kingii King Skink
16. Litoria splendida Magnificent Tree Frog
17. Morelia spilota imbricata South-western Carpet Python
18. Nephrurus levis Three-lined Knob-tailed Gecko
19. Oedura marmorata Marbled Velvet Gecko
20. Underwoodisaurus milii Thick-tailed Gecko
21. Varanus caudolineatus Stripe-tailed Pygmy Monitor
Category 4
Scientific name Common name
22. Aspidites melanocephalus Black-headed python
23. Aspidites ramsayi Woma Python
24. Chelodina steindachneri Flat-shelled Turtle
25. Chlamydosaurus kingi Frilled Lizard
26. Heleioporus albopunctatus Western Spotted Frog
27. Lophognathus longirostris Long-nosed Ta-ta Dragon
28. Varanus acanthurus Ridge-tailed Monitor
29. Varanus brevicauda Short-tailed Pygmy Monitor
30. Varanus tristis tristis Black-tailed Monitor
Category 5
Scientific name Common name
31. Acanthopis antarcticus Southern Death Adder
32. Acanthopis pyrrhus Desert Death Adder
33. Acanthopis wellsi Pilbara Death Adder
34. Liasis olivaceus Olive Python
35. Notechis scutatus Tiger Snake
36. Pseudechis australis Mulga Snake
37. Pseudechis butleri Spotted Mulga Snake
38. Pseudonaja affinis affinis Dugite
39. Pseudonaja nuchalis Gwardar
40. Varanus gouldii Gould’s Monitor
41. Varanus rosenbergi Southern Heath Monitor

COMPARED TO SAY.......

NSW Keeping list
Turtles
E2018 Chelodina canni Cann’s Snake-necked Turtle
C2017 Chelodina longicollis Snake-necked Turtle
G2019 Chelodina oblonga Oblong Turtle
Y2028 Elseya dentata Northern Snapping Turtle
K2029 Elseya latisternum Saw-shelled Turtle
Y2776 Elusor macrurus Mary River Turtle
E2034 Emydura macquarii Murray Short-necked Turtle
T2031 Emydura macquarii dharra Macleay River Turtle
T2039 Emydura macquarii dharuk Sydney Basin Turtle
T2002 Emydura macquarii emmotti Emmott’s Short-necked Turtle
T2032 Emydura macquarii gunabarra Hunter River Turtle
C2033 Emydura macquarii kreffti Krefft’s Short-necked Turtle
G2035 Emydura macquarii signata Brisbane River Turtle
Q2020 Macrochelodina rugosa Northern Snake-necked Turtle
Dragons
T2037 Amphibolurus burnsi Burns’ Dragon
E2246 Amphibolurus gilberti Gilbert’s Dragon
M2194 Amphibolurus muricatus Jacky Lizard
Z2195 Amphibolurus nobbi Nobbi Dragon
Y2248 Amphibolurus temporalis Swamplands Dragon
Q2196 Ctenophorus nuchalis Central Netted Ground-dragon
W2199 Ctenophorus pictus Painted Ground-dragon
Z2223 Diporiphora australis Tommy Roundhead
C2245 Hypsilurus spinipes Southern Forest Dragon
A2252 Physignathus lesueurii Water Dragon
K2177 Pogona barbata Common Bearded Dragon
G2775 Pogona henrylawsoni Downs Bearded Dragon
G2191 Pogona minor minima Western Bearded Dragon
Y2192 Pogona minor minor Dwarf Bearded Dragon
Y2204 Pogona vitticeps Central Bearded Dragon
E2182 Rankinia diemensis Mountain Heath Dragon
Monitors
G2263 Varanus acanthurus Spiney-tailed Monitor
Q2268 Varanus gilleni Pygmy Mulga Monitor
G2271 Varanus gouldii Sand Monitor
M2282 Varanus tristis Black-Headed Monitor
Skinks
A2464 Acritoscincus platynotum Red-throated Skink
W2331 Cryptoblepharus virgatus Cream-striped Wall Skink
W2375 Ctenotus robustus Eastern Striped Skink
E2386 Ctenotus taeniolatus Copper-tailed Skink
M2574 Cyclodomorphus casuarinae Tasmanian She-oak Skink
Z2575 Cyclodomorphus gerrardii Pink-tongued Skink
T2005 Cyclodomorphus michaeli Mainland She-oak Skink
Y2408 Egernia cunninghami Cunningham’s Skink
W2411 Egernia frerei Major Skink
A2412 Egernia hosmeri Hosmer’s Skink
C2413 Egernia inornata Desert Skink
E2414 Egernia kingii King’s Skink
K2417 Egernia major Land Mullet
Z2419 Egernia modesta Eastern Ranges Rock-skink
K2425 Egernia saxatilis Black Rock Skink
Z2427 Egernia stokesii Gidgee Skink
Q2428 Egernia striolata Tree Skink
E2430 Egernia whitii White’s Skink
S2437 Eremiascincus fasciolatus Narrow-banded Sand-swimmer
U2438 Eremiascincus richardsonii Broad-banded Sand-swimmer
K2557 Eulamprus quoyii Eastern Water Skink
Z2559 Eulamprus tenuis Barred-sided Skink
M2450 Lampropholis delicata Garden Skink
Z2451 Lampropholis guichenoti Grass Skink
G2475 Lerista bougainvillii South-eastern Slider
W2519 Menetia greyii Common Dwarf Skink
U2526 Morethia boulengeri South-eastern Morethia Skink
U2578 Tiliqua nigrolutea Blotched Blue-tongue
Z2583 Tiliqua rugosus Shingleback
Y2580 Tiliqua scincoides Common Blue-tongue
Legless Lizards
U2170 Lialis burtonis Burton’s Snake-Lizard
E2174 Pygopus lepidopodus Common Scaly-Foot
G2175 Pygopus nigriceps Western Scaly-Foot
Geckoes
M2126 Christinus marmoratus Marbled Southern Gecko
Z2071 Diplodactylus steindachneri Box-patterned Gecko
C2077 Diplodactylus vittatus Eastern Stone Gecko
C2085 Gehyra australis Top-end Dtella
U2082 Gehyra dubia Dubious Dtella
A2092 Gehyra variegata Variegated Dtella
A2104 Hemidactylus frenatus Asian House Gecko
C2105 Heteronotia binoei Bynoe’s Gecko
E2106 Heteronotia spelea Desert Cave Gecko
K2109 Lucasium damaeum Beaded Gecko
K2777 Nephrurus amyae Centralian Rough Knob-tailed Gecko
U2110 Nephrurus asper Prickly Knob-tailed Gecko
W2111 Nephrurus laevissimus Pale Knob-tailed Gecko
A2112 Nephrurus levis Smooth Knob-tailed Gecko
M2778 Nephrurus sheai Northern Rough Knob-tailed Gecko
C2113 Nephrurus stellatus Starred Knob-tailed Gecko
Y2116 Oedura castelnaui Northern Velvet Gecko
K2117 Oedura coggeri Northern Spotted Velvet Gecko
G2131 Oedura filicipoda Fringe-toed Velvet Gecko
M2118 Oedura lesueurii Lesueur’s Velvet Gecko
Z2119 Oedura marmorata Marbled Velvet Gecko
A2120 Oedura monilis Ocellated Velvet Gecko
G2123 Oedura robusta Robust Velvet Gecko
Y2124 Oedura tryoni Southern Spotted Velvet Gecko
S2129 Phyllurus platurus Broad-tailed Gecko
Q2128 Saltuarius cornutus Northern Leaf-tail Gecko
E2130 Saltuarius salebrosus Rough-throated Leaf-tail Gecko
E2687 Saltuarius swaini Southern Leaf-tailed Gecko
K2053 Strophurus ciliaris Northern Spiny-tailed Gecko
W2059 Strophurus intermedius Southern Spiny-tailed Gecko
W2075 Strophurus taenicauda Golden Spiny-tailed Gecko
E2078 Strophurus williamsi Eastern Spiny-tailed Gecko
U2138 Underwoodisaurus milii Thick-tailed Gecko
Snakes - non-venomous species
G2619 Antaresia childreni Children’s Python
U2818 Antaresia maculosa Spotted Python
U2622 Antaresia perthensis Pygmy Python
W2819 Antaresia stimsoni Stimson’s Python
Q2612 Aspidites melanocephalus Black-headed Python
C2633 Dendrelaphis punctulata Common Tree Snake
Q2620 Liasis mackloti Water Python
S2621 Liasis olivaceus Olive Python
C2825 Morelia spilota Carpet Python (only for “subspecies” not known)
W2623 Morelia s. bredli Centralian Carpet Python
T2023 Morelia s. cheynei Jungle Carpet Python
T2029 Morelia s. imbricata Western Carpet Python
T2024 Morelia s. mcdowelli Eastern Carpet Python
T2025 Morelia s. mcdowelli / spilota Carpet/Diamond Python (natural intergrade)
T2026 Morelia s. metcalfei Murray/Darling Carpet Python
T2027 Morelia s. spilota Diamond Python
T2028 Morelia s. variegata Top End Carpet Python
M2638 Stegonotus cucullatus Slaty-grey Snake
Snakes - mildly-venomous species
U2630 Boiga irregularis Eastern Brown Tree Snake
T2036 Boiga i. fusca Northern Brown Tree Snake
W2711 Brachyurophis australis Australian Coral Snake
M2646 Cacophis krefftii Southern Dwarf Crowned Snake
Z2647 Cacophis squamulosus Golden-crowned Snake
Z2655 Demansia psammophis Yellow-faced Whipsnake
Y2660 Denisonia devisi De Vis’ Banded Snake
S2665 Drysdalia coronoides White-lipped Snake
K2805 Drysdalia rhodogaster Mustard-bellied Snake
C2669 Furina diadema Red-naped Snake
U2674 Hemiaspis signata Black-bellied Swamp Snake
M2726 Parasuta dwyeri Dwyer’s Snake
U2014 Carettochelys insculpta Pig-nosed Turtle
S2021 Chelodina steindachneri Flat-shelled Short-necked Turtle
T2013 Elseya belli Bell’s Turtle
T2018 Elseya irwinii Yellow-headed Snapping Turtle
T2019 Elseya lavarackorum Lavarack’s Turtle
T2020 Elseya tanybaraga Northern Yellow-faced Turtle
T2022 Emydura australis North-west Red-faced Turtle
Y2036 Emydura subglobosa Painted Short-necked Turtle
K2037 Emydura victoriae Northern Red-faced Turtle
T2034 Emydura sp. Leichhardt River Short-necked Turtle
T2030 Macrochelodina burrungandjii Sandstone Long-necked Turtle
A2016 Macrochelodina expansa Broad-shelled Snake-necked Turtle
K2045 Rheodytes leukops Fitzroy Turtle
Geckoes
S2049 Cyrtodactylus louisiadensis Ring-tailed Gecko
S2057 Diplodactylus galeatus Mesa Gecko
W2083 Gehyra montium Centralian Dtella
Z2135 Pseudothecadactylus lindneri Northern Giant Cave Gecko
T2001 Saltuarius wyberba Granite Leaf-tailed Gecko
Z2055 Strophurus elderi Jewelled Gecko
W2139 Underwoodisaurus sphyrurus Granite Belt Thick-tailed Gecko
Monitors
K2733 Varanus baritji Black-spotted Spiny-tailed Monitor
Y2264 Varanus brevicauda Short-tailed Pygmy Monitor
K2265 Varanus caudolineatus Stripe-tailed Monitor
Z2267 Varanus giganteus Perentie
Y2272 Varanus indicus Mangrove Monitor
Q2284 Varanus kingorum Long-tailed Rock Monitor
K2273 Varanus mertensi Mertens’ Water Monitor
M2274 Varanus mitchelli Mitchell's Water Monitor
S2285 Varanus panoptes Yellow-spotted Monitor
Q2276 Varanus primordius Northern Ridge-tailed Monitor
W2287 Varanus rosenbergi Heath Monitor
W2279 Varanus spenceri Spencer's Monitor
Y2280 Varanus storri Storr’s Monitor
K2281 Varanus timorensis Spotted Tree Monitor
Z2283 Varanus varius Lace Monitor
S2269 Varanus glauerti Kimberley Rock Monitor
Skinks
S2305 Carlia coensis Coen Rainbow-skink
M2370 Ctenotus pantherinus Leopard Ctenotus
K2409 Egernia depressa Pygmy Spiny-tailed Skink
K2213 Egernia mcpheei Eastern Crevice-skink
E2422 Egernia pulchra South-western Rock-skink
Y2424 Egernia rugosa Yakka Skink
T2008 Eulamprus tryoni Tryon’s Skink
Q2584 Gnypetoscincus queenslandiae Prickly Forest Skink
S2577 Tiliqua multifasciata Centralian Blue-tongue
W2579 Tiliqua occipitalis Western Blue-tongue
Dragons
G2247 Amphibolurus longirostris Long-nosed Dragon
K2221 Chlamydosaurus kingii Frilled Lizard
A2180 Ctenophorus cristatus Crested Dragon
C2181 Ctenophorus decresii Tawny Dragon
Y2184 Ctenophorus fionni Peninsula Dragon
G2203 Ctenophorus vadnappa Red-barred Dragon
W2243 Hypsilurus boydii Boyd’s Forest Dragon
E2190 Pogona microlepidota Small-scaled Bearded Dragon
K2193 Pogona mitchelli North-west Bearded Dragon
G2255 Tympanocryptis lineata Lined Earless Dragon
Snakes
G2627 Acrochordus arafurae Arafura File Snake
S2613 Aspidites ramsayi Woma Python
A2632 Dendrelaphis calligastra Northern Tree Snake
E2634 Enhydris polylepis Macleay's Water Snake
C2617 Liasis albertisii White-lipped Python
E2618 Morelia amethistina Scrub Python
A2616 Morelia viridis Green Python
G2599 Ramphotyphlops nigrescens Blackish Blind Snake
K2629 Tropidonophis mairii Keelback
A2624 Morelia carinata Rough-scaled Python
Class 2 Category 1
W2675 Hoplocephalus bitorquatus Pale-headed Snake
A2676 Hoplocephalus bungaroides Broad-headed Snake
C2677 Hoplocephalus stephensii Stephens' Banded Snake
Z2727 Parasuta flagellum Whip Hooded Snake
K2813 Parasuta spectabilis Spectacled Hooded Snake
W2691 Pseudechis colletti Collett’s Snake
C2693 Pseudechis porphyriacus Red-bellied Black Snake
M2734 Vermicella annulata Eastern Bandy-bandy
Class 2 Category 2
A2640 Acanthophis antarcticus Southern Death Adder
Y2804 Acanthophis praelongus Northern Death Adder
C2641 Acanthophis pyrrhus Desert Death Adder
W2615 Austrelaps ramsayi Highlands Copperhead
E2642 Austrelaps superbus Lowlands Copperhead
E2650 Cryptophis nigrescens Eastern Small-eyed Snake
Q2680 Notechis ater Black Tiger Snake
S2681 Notechis scutatus Common Tiger Snake
U2690 Pseudechis australis Mulga Snake
M2814 Pseudechis butleri Butler’s Snake
A2692 Pseudechis guttatus Spotted Black Snake
K2697 Pseudonaja modesta Ringed Brown Snake
M2698 Pseudonaja nuchalis Western Brown Snake
E2722 Suta suta Myall Snake
Class 2 Category 3
K2689 Oxyuranus microlepidotus Western Taipan
Y2688 Oxyuranus scutellatus Taipan
Z2699 Pseudonaja textilis Common Brown Snake
G2723 Tropidechis carinatus Rough-scaled Snake

Tasmania's list...

Agamidae (Dragons)
Scincidae (Skinks)
[h=2]Serpentes (Snakes)[/h]Elapidae (Elapids)
 
"My response as a DEC certified wildlife carer….

Currently as the species are being caught wild and placed into to domestic situations, I’m not able to support the letter.

When the government adopts a system where a limited gene pool is established and documented captive breeding is the norm, I may change my views and be supporting.

The drama is that wild caught snakes are taken from natural habitat – which is against conservation principle and encourages poachers taking our protected species.
Australia’s reptiles are so in demand overseas that the live trade of native reptiles is second only to drugs in illegal trade in Australia. One reptile can fetch up to $80 000.

The BIG issue that a poacher can take an threatened species and get $80 000 for it..

If he gets caught the biggest fine that WA gives is maximum $10 000 and NO jail time…

I think the pressure should be on the government to review it’s penalty system and bring that in line with other states where the fines are up to $280 000 and 2 years jail time.

If you are interested have a look at the proposed snake keeping rules that are being introduced in NT – they include DNA testing of all reptiles to minimise poachers taking form the wild and to build up stock of captive breed snakes – which are happier and protects our precious wildlife.

I hope this explains why DEC aren’t making any moves to increase the species that are allowed to be kept in captivity, as it increases the illegal trade.

DEC are supporter of well set up breeding programs and WA isn’t up to standard yet."



This is the same old crap regurgitated with disturbing regularity by those who are brainwashed by departmental propaganda. The myth that vast numbers of common species are being sent illegally overseas and sold for huge profits is just bull poo. Many Oz species have been breeding OS for decades, and most are bred in sufficient numbers to satisfy the OS demand without the need to send more.Even in 1995 carpet pythons were selling in the US for as little as $200 each - US captive-bred stock. I concede that there a few target species still commanding a high price, but the $80,000 figure you mention is fanciful, except for maybe something like an Oenpelli. The demand will still exist for those regardless of whether there are more allowed species or not.

Jamie
 
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Saddest response ever...I got:

Just think green...
Hug a tree
Save a whale
Spread the word

...I nearly cried
 
Australia’s reptiles are so in demand overseas that the live trade of native reptiles is second only to drugs in illegal trade in Australia. One reptile can fetch up to $80 000.

The BIG issue that a poacher can take an threatened species and get $80 000 for it..



Can you ask you work colleague which species can be sold for $80.000.- ????? I would really like to know.
What else has Australia got apart from drugs and reptiles that's worth illegal exporting? What's the third item on the list - bottled farts?
 
im going to send one everyday if everyone did that i think in a few months they would crack

That is guaranteed to have a negative effect on any argumenmt put up by those who want change. If you have said it once, you probably need to wait and see what effect it has before trying again. Making a daily nuisance of yourself will not enhance your credibility - if someone did that to me I'd just ignore them as having nothing better to do with their time. If you can't argue the case objectively, don't get involved.

Jamie
 
The reason for the letter is to persuade the authorities to take another look at the Keeper's Species List, not the allowing of imported pythons.

I have sent a letter off to help out, as I think if there are a number of species that are native to WA but aren't on licence and are commonly kept in other states, then why the hell can't the keepers in WA keep them either.

The WA system has alot of room for improvement, but at least progress was made to allow the keeping of reptiles.

Cheers.
 
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80,000 k far out what type of animal could fetch that much I swear government department that regulate this body must be stoned outa there brain.


Cheers Brenton
 
The irony of the conservation argument against keeping reptiles is that amateur herpetologists have been the greatest contributor to the knowledge of reptiles in WA and in NSW the knowledge of reptiles has exploded since the keeping was legalized (I'm only speaking for states I've lived in and have knowledge of reptile keeping). Keeping has a huge contribution to the knowledge of reptiles as it increases exposure to their lifecycles and builds positive awareness, it’s not without its short comings but it does have more positives than negatives especially when you look at the numbers kept.
 
I am going to compile a letter later today. Apart from the obvious, I am also going to strongly point out the person who has been personally blocking any progress in the right direction because of his personal agenda. This individual is not liked by many of his colleagues within the Department and is totally unfit to hold a position where he is capable of embarrassing the Department. I feel that it's a good strategy to clearly point out this source of many problems, if nothing else, it may cause bit of a rift within the circles if it filters though the ranks. The Ministers should know who this inept person is and act on it.
 
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