GTP thoughts

[petpages]

Actually Adrian Hemens was the ORIGINAL breeder of the Australian Native line. While he did produce a mixed clutch 3 or 4 years ago these were NEVER sold as natives nor did they look like natives. He has bred PURE natives every year since 2005 and this year produced the very first F2 babies. So Hemens line DOES mean pure aussie. Before waterrat states that Hemens lines are not pure he should remember that ALL his original animals came from Hemens and therefore he is casting doubt on his own snakes.

Never, ever have I seen native hatchlings changing colour before 8 months of age.
Hemens line does not necessarily mean pure ausie line, he bred natives X PNG some years ago. I think it's a common knowledge.
I am not saying the ad is misleading but it's absolutely extraordinary for 3-4 months old natives to go green and to be big enough to feed on small rats.

 

[Mr.James]

Will they drop?

The problem is someone buys a pair of reptiles which are hard to get at the time with a huge price tag, does all the ground work, successfully breeds them, then sells the offspring at a fair but high price. Then the next person figures they've just spent all this money on purchasing & raising them and years later breeds them to make there money back...for the love and the money. Then you have people who spend big and breed for a quick buck. We all know they are out there. Then you have some who would genuinely do anything just to have one as a pet & look for nothing else than the privilege to be a proud keeper of such a wonderful reptile.(not to mention give everything to own one) In the middle you have original breeders of the wild caughts, who are still steering the bus and we need them to keep people honest, share there knowledge. With such a high demand for them and they are obviously selling, where in there can you find the answer that leads anyone to think that someone will drop the prices right down..?

(sorry if that doesn't make sense..LOL just needed to vent some...)

I just see the market flattening out at around $1500. But who knows.

Everyone always wants what they cant have & cant afford... I know I sure do.. But I don't see Ferrari's dropping down to $50,000

 

[Ramsayi]

Actually Adrian Hemens was the ORIGINAL breeder of the Australian Native line. While he did produce a mixed clutch 3 or 4 years ago these were NEVER sold as natives nor did they look like natives. He has bred PURE natives every year since 2005 and this year produced the very first F2 babies. So Hemens line DOES mean pure aussie. Before waterrat states that Hemens lines are not pure he should remember that ALL his original animals came from Hemens and therefore he is casting doubt on his own snakes.

Who is petpages and what if any affiliation has he with Hemens?

 

[cris]

It gets me every time someone states that GTPs are overpriced.
Tell us cris, how much money do you have in your pocket to buy a GTP? If you had thousand bucks, would you spend it on a GTP? How much would you pay for one right now?
My feeling (supported by evidence) is that those complaining about the price are not even in the market for a GTP.
Looking forward to your reply.

The average illegal exotic GTP IMO is worth less than $500(some are still paying up to $5000 for nothing special). Im quite happy to wait until they are what i consider to be a fair price or i can swap them for common tree snakes.

You are free to charge what you want, but selling imports for massive prices encourages smuggling and they are mostly illegal anyway. Natives are differant, as i said above and i dont see high prices as causing any major problems.

I would admit though i genreally dont like the idea of high prices on reptiles. It promotes reptile breeding as a profit making exercise rather than something done because of an interest in the animals themselves.

At the end of the day its just my opinion and it counts for very little. Also if i was breeding them i would sell them for the same prices others do, even though i think its over priced the massive profit would outweigh any moral insentive to sell them cheaper.

That said they are pretty cool pythons and well suited to nice display enclosures.

 

[Mr.James]

I would admit though i genreally dont like the idea of high prices on reptiles. It promotes reptile breeding as a profit making exercise rather than something done because of an interest in the animals themselves.

At the end of the day its just my opinion and it counts for very little. Also if i was breeding them i would sell them for the same prices others do, even though i think its over priced the massive profit would outweigh any moral insentive to sell them cheaper.

That said they are pretty cool pythons and well suited to nice display enclosures.

Exactly..so you don't like the high prices on reptiles but you'd sell them for the going price? That's what I mean people shouldn't be critics cause they would be doing the same thing if they had the opportunity.

 

[Costa]

The average illegal exotic GTP IMO is worth less than $500(some are still paying up to $5000 for nothing special). Im quite happy to wait until they are what i consider to be a fair price or i can swap them for common tree snakes.

You are free to charge what you want, but selling imports for massive prices encourages smuggling and they are mostly illegal anyway. Natives are differant, as i said above and i dont see high prices as causing any major problems.

I would admit though i genreally dont like the idea of high prices on reptiles. It promotes reptile breeding as a profit making exercise rather than something done because of an interest in the animals themselves.

At the end of the day its just my opinion and it counts for very little. Also if i was breeding them i would sell them for the same prices others do, even though i think its over priced the massive profit would outweigh any moral insentive to sell them cheaper.

That said they are pretty cool pythons and well suited to nice display enclosures.

my thoughts exactly

 

[Waterrat]

Actually Adrian Hemens was the ORIGINAL breeder of the Australian Native line. While he did produce a mixed clutch 3 or 4 years ago these were NEVER sold as natives nor did they look like natives. He has bred PURE natives every year since 2005 and this year produced the very first F2 babies. So Hemens line DOES mean pure aussie. Before waterrat states that Hemens lines are not pure he should remember that ALL his original animals came from Hemens and therefore he is casting doubt on his own snakes.

Please read properly before you reply.
I have never said that Adrian sold those X snakes as natives. I know he didn't but at least one of the buyers implied that that they were sold to him as natives. No flies on Adrian. The juveniles from the mixed clutch DID look like natives and IF they ended up in the hands of unscrupulous breeders, their progeny may well be passed on as natives. I am not stating that "Hemens lines are not pure", I merely said that "not necessarily all" of his lines were pure natives. I don't take his credits away from him for his breeding success but I know personally at least two other people who bred pure natives well before him and the progeny from those snakes is still around.
I hope this clears it up Adrian.

cheers
Michael

 

[petpages]

I'm sorry ! let me introduce myself. Petpages IS Adrian Hemens..... and while I have never before joined any forum, I thought it was about time I did...if only to defend myself !

I have bred greens every year since 2001.... a lot longer than some other 'experts'

Who is petpages and what if any affiliation has he with Hemens?

 

[Mayhem]

I recon i would pay about $500 for a chondro.

I could afford to buy several of them even when they were at a sillier price but i don't think they are worth that money. I think alot of people feel the same way but they spend the money on them because they see the potential $$$ in them.

In short, people aren't buying them because they like them they are buying them as an investment.

Disagree completely - I have absoloutely no intention of breeding my GTP's and its sooo far from an investment! My only reason for concern with the rapidly decreasing price is the factor of "why buy one now for $xxxx when you can buy one in a just few more months for $yyyy". Its not because I have interest in long term investment rather than plain old and simple, wanting to save myself some money.

 

[waruikazi]

Exactly..so you don't like the high prices on reptiles but you'd sell them for the going price? That's what I mean people shouldn't be critics cause they would be doing the same thing if they had the opportunity.

No one that i can see here is being critical. We don't think they are worth that money so we wont pay it.

 

[waruikazi]

Disagree completely - I have absoloutely no intention of breeding my GTP's and its sooo far from an investment! My only reason for concern with the rapidly decreasing price is the factor of "why buy one now for $xxxx when you can buy one in a just few more months for $yyyy". Its not because I have interest in long term investment rather than plain old and simple, wanting to save myself some money.

So you think everyone is in the exact same mind frame as you claim to be?

 

[Mayhem]

So you think everyone is in the exact same mind frame as you claim to be?

No, but from your initial statement you implied that everyone is in a mind frame that I am not in.

 

[petpages]

yes, its true that Rob Bredl bred native green pythons at Cardwell in 1989. I personally saw some offspring in 1990 at the park at Cardwell. Two of those offspring were still alive and in the hands of a South Australian dealer at least until recently but they were never successfully bred and are over 20 years old now...if they are indeed still alive. The next successful breeding was by me in 2005.

Please read properly before you reply.
I have never said that Adrian sold those X snakes as natives. I know he didn't but at least one of the buyers implied that that they were sold to him as natives. No flies on Adrian. The juveniles from the mixed clutch DID look like natives and IF they ended up in the hands of unscrupulous breeders, their progeny may well be passed on as natives. I am not stating that "Hemens lines are not pure", I merely said that "not necessarily all" of his lines were pure natives. I don't take his credits away from him for his breeding success but I know personally at least two other people who bred pure natives well before him and the progeny from those snakes is still around.
I hope this clears it up Adrian.

cheers
Michael

 

[waruikazi]

Rightio, i didn't intend that implication and i tried to make that clear. I didn't mean all i meant alot.

No, but from your initial statement you implied that everyone is in a mind frame that I am not in.

 

[solar 17]

Greens and choices

Peoples choices are their own choices l unashamedly love greens and can.t get enough of them as they are different but if everybody thought like me it would be boring as sh** what l think the people on this forum/website have to do is appreciate other peoples diversities without bagging them into the ground and then being defensive when people take a swipe at them.....remember folks a fruit salad is plane when its full of bananas...cheers solar 17 [Baden]

 

[Waterrat]

yes, its true that Rob Bredl bred native green pythons at Cardwell in 1989. I personally saw some offspring in 1990 at the park at Cardwell. Two of those offspring were still alive and in the hands of a South Australian dealer at least until recently but they were never successfully bred and are over 20 years old now...if they are indeed still alive. The next successful breeding was by me in 2005.

There were others too but I don't think it's appropriate to name them without their consent.
Anyway, is this some contest about who was first?
Since I got involved in this project I relentlessly defended and promoted native GTPs, shared my experiences with other in literature and forums and don't feel that I need to defend myself now. It was a long rocky road without help from anybody to build up some reputation - like it or leave it!

 

[waruikazi]

Peoples choices are their own choices l unashamedly love greens and can.t get enough of them as they are different but if everybody thought like me it would be boring as sh** what l think the people on this forum/website have to do is appreciate other peoples diversities without bagging them into the ground and then being defensive when people take a swipe at them.....remember folks a fruit salad is plane when its full of bananas...cheers solar 17 [Baden]

What Baden says is very true. A salad can be very boring but with a little imagination and some spontenaety a salad can become a work of art. Beleive it or not i have discussed this before.... http://www.aussiepythons.com/forum/chit-chat-39/names-and-faces-119103/page-75 check it out for yourself if you don't beleive me.

 

[kkjkdt1]

gtp

id be happy with either(would prefere aussie).
when i can afford one i will be the proud owner of a gtp, people will pay what they are happy with.

 

[flavirufus]

Aussies are definitely my favourites. I'm biased though, as I keep and breed Aussie GTPs, and, well, I'm Australian! Guess I'm a bit patriotic But seriously, they do have to be one of the prettiest GTPs. The white vertebral stripe is just speccy. I was a bit worried when I first bred my Aussies, as I'd heard of and seen other 'Aussie' lineages that didn't all develop good vertebral stripes. I was pretty amazed to see all of my hatchlings emerging from the egg with a clear vertebral stripe already!! I don't know of any other GTP locality that shows the adult pattern as hatchlings like these seem to do. Love them!

 

[Waterrat]

Aussies are definitely my favourites. I'm biased though, as I keep and breed Aussie GTPs, and, well, I'm Australian! Guess I'm a bit patriotic But seriously, they do have to be one of the prettiest GTPs. The white vertebral stripe is just speccy. I was a bit worried when I first bred my Aussies, as I'd heard of and seen other 'Aussie' lineages that didn't all develop good vertebral stripes. I was pretty amazed to see all of my hatchlings emerging from the egg with a clear vertebral stripe already!! I don't know of any other GTP locality that shows the adult pattern as hatchlings like these seem to do. Love them!

Spectacular and unusual. Did all the hatchlings end up with a solid line or just some? Did the parents have solid line?
This is quite something, perhaps even unique - It's generally understood that captive bred natives have reduced white markings. Some believe that it's genetic, lack of UV, diet, etc.. You may be onto something - please tell us more.