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Oh by the way the dead sea scrolls actually confirm the new testament we have today is accurate (according to the scrolls) to more than 90% not that I believe that 10% is wrong, I am just saying the scrolls are not anywhere near as detrimental to the bible as people "like" to think.

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Above I said New Testament, it was meant to be Old Testament.
 
Hey it does not worry me in the slightest at all.. why should it as to if they are true or false.... i am but a heathen heading for the deepest regions of hell... and that comes from my born again ex wife and her lovely understanding (christian) husband.... :D perhaps it will be a lot warmer there than it is here... but unlike them i forgive them for what they say and say to my children...
also do you believe in aliens..??? i'm not having ago i have had this discussion many times with heavy christians...
 
Personally no, but that doesn't mean I don't think it is possible. I do believe that if there is life on other planets then they will never visit earth, because I believe that God has given us all we need to know in the bible and he never mentions them.

Besides (and this would jack some people up), it is not impossible that God is an alien, now I am not talking about "little green men", but if God was an alien (I personally don't think He is), then what would it change? Nothing, He has still written (caused to be written how He wanted) the bible and we are still required to live accordingly. It makes no difference.

No true christian would use their kids in silly little mind games! Anyway, can I ask what "branch" they belong to? If you don't want to tell me, then just tell me to rack off. :)
 
Wrangler...as to what branch or sept or club..This i have no idea anymore that is none of my concearn..All i know is where they go to school,which is of a baptist line.. ??? but all people will do this,mind games..it is our nature under her beliefs her pastor told her she had no reason to go..but did and hence asked to leave her church...
Perhaps why would he make the whole universe and then only put us here..??? that would expend a lot of energy for naught when all really needed was a planet..moon and sun nothing else....
what if this lot (us) are a mistake... ??? and whomever says boy did i stuff up there and move on and make something else... mark 2 ( better)
yep i have read that theory of god being an alien and we travelled here from somewhere else bringing our beliefs with us.. hence why there was naught here and then all of a sudden there is..or that we have mixed with the humanoids that were here..hence missing link

:D :lol:
 
Hey i'm as open minded as anyone but the reason i speak as though it is common sense is because it is!!

Have you done hard drugs?
 
Oh you have gone...just when this was getting interesting...and i have not gone down the line of adam and eve..who begat 2 sons cain and able..cain killed able.. and was banished from the garden of eden..and found other people... ??? how strange.... where did they spring up from..???

cheers and catchup some other time...
 
SnakeWrangler said:
Nah, when my dream snake enclosure grows a mind and builds itself I might start, but until then I think I'll stick to the more logical concept of an Intelligent Creator. :)

Yeah! I agree...... Aliens! :lol:


p.s You got me Africa :oops:
 
RAZZA said:
Oh you have gone...just when this was getting interesting...and i have not gone down the line of adam and eve..who begat 2 sons cain and able..cain killed able.. and was banished from the garden of eden..and found other people... ??? how strange.... where did they spring up from..???

cheers and catchup some other time...

Hey Razza, you have refreshed my memory (I try desperately to forget!) I thought that Cain & Abel both went and got wives from the land of Nod, but yes, he did kill his brother and was banished. I knew there were two wives there somewhere! Quote:
Genesis 4:1-24
16 Then Cain went out from the presence of the Lord and dwelt in the land of Nod on the east of Eden. 17 And Cain knew his wife, and she conceived and bore Enoch. And he built a city, and called the name of the city after the name of his son?Enoch. 18 To Enoch was born Irad; and Irad begot Mehujael, and Mehujael begot Methushael, and Methushael begot Lamech.
19 Then Lamech took for himself two wives: the name of one was Adah, and the name of the second was Zillah. 20 And Adah bore Jabal. He was the father of those who dwell in tents and have livestock. 21 His brother?s name was Jubal. He was the father of all those who play the harp and flute. 22 And as for Zillah, she also bore Tubal-Cain, an instructor of every craftsman in bronze and iron. And the sister of Tubal-Cain was Naamah.
 
oh sorry, I just remembered! When the story has this many holes in it, or can be proven to be total rubbish - it shouldn't be taken literally. Sorry, I just remembered that part too! I bow out!
 
In the Greek translation the verbs are consistent with the fact that maybe the creation of humans didn't stop with Adam and Eve. That they were the first humans.

That's all I have to say on that topic. It's too personal to relate a faith in mere words, and too difficult to explain a belief that is your very lifestyle. So I don't apologise nor explain for my actions based on my Christianity until I think someone really wants to know. Genuinely.

I like most pagans lol lol :twisted: :p I was one once - and I still am in some cases. Being human and all :lol:
 
I have a ballet Eistedford to go to this morning, when I come back I will show you where cain's wife came from and moose, there are no holes in that story, read it in context, read the whole thing and you will see a different story.

Talk later.
Cheers.

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RAZZA, I only left because I needed sleep because of my daughters ballet eistedford.
 
SnakeWrangler said:
... Evolution is also a religion, it is a belief system, and believe me evolution has done its fair share to hurt people as much as other religions, the first thing that comes to mind is racism, and a side effect of that is what happened to the Aborigines, being called the "missing link", lesser formed humans than others! That makes my blood boil.
So the Ku Klux Klan base their beliefs on evolution do they? And the original white settlers were not doing "God's will"? Was the Spanish inquisition was run by Darwinists? Go onto any religious site and you will the normal rants and raves about the evils of evolution but absolutely nothing about the churches own bloody hand in the subjugation of aboriginal people worldwide. While evolution has been used as an excuse for racism, the main fuel is religion.
And evolution is a theory (not a hypothesis, look up the difference), creationism is the belief system, much the same way that Galileo was shown the instruments of torture for stating that the earth was not the center of the universe, religious fanatics in Kansas are now trying legalize evolution from the classroom.
Evolution is the foundation of all our biological sciences, without it everything we say about life on earth doesn?t make sense. Biological facts from the difference in the snakes eye from other animals to the reoccurrence of the flu in humans each year can not be explained in creationist terms but can in evolutionary terms.



http://www.nmsr.org/TOON0.HTM
 
has anyone read 'memnock the devil' by anne rice?
that is the only fiction book that made religion (their therory) seen feesable
i am not a religous person but i respect and am intreged in other religion but me being a science girl and working inb the feild it is too hard to pass up fact with a belief
having faith in something is what drives us but it isn't always faith in a supernatural being it is faith in eachother

religion...... don't get me started
 
I'm going to have one more roll of the dice here and leave it!
So let me get this right!
First there was Adam!
Then, there was Eve!
From Eve was born Cain & then Abel, am I right so far?
Cain kills Abel
Cain is banished, or hides from God or something in the land of Nod - right?
He finds a wife? Where? His Mother? What's going on? Supposedly Adam & Eve were meant to have had other children, a daughter and another son? How am I doing? right so far? It's the only logical bridge that spans that great big hole I was talking about!
Apparently Cain knew his wife, according to the Good Book - perhaps it was his sister, and not his Mother? Where?s the difference either way?
The Bible is riddled with hints of incest everywhere, so it doesn't surprise me that this is quite possible - I didn't have to look far to find this! Quote;

Genesis 19:32-36 Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father. And they made their father drink wine that night: and the firstborn went in, and lay with her father; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose. Behold, I lay yesternight with my father: let us make him drink wine this night also; and go thou in, and lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father. And they made their father drink wine that night also: and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose. Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father.

What in blazes is that? I will not endeavor to keep responding to this post as I don't want to annoy people with what I believe - please don't consider this as an act of ignorance or arrogance. I've had years subjected to the rantings of the Catholic Church, before my schooling, during my schooling - I know my stuff ? and pretty damn well IMO!! Perhaps I got tired of hearing this very Catholic rant of, believe or burn in hell! The fundamental basis of their belief.

Christianity as a whole isn't very old, if anything, compared to many other beliefs it is very, very new. There is nothing wrong, as I have written before, with leading a Christian life, but make it a useful one! Don't spend your days in a church saving your own skin - that's selfishness, and always frowned upon in Biblical teachings! Go out and do something Christian, and with that I don't mean burning innocent women alive or drowning them during witch-hunts, or perhaps taking indigenous children away form their families because their upbringing doesn't fit our mould of the way things should be! But go out and help people in need, get involved in charities, fundraising for the Children?s Hospital etc, but don't waste your days fearing & defending something that may not be there for the sake of being righteous and proper!
 
well said moosey
but one more thing
DON'T FORCE IT ON ANYONE ELSE
 
no no no
that was GOOD
don't force religion on anyone else
 
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