funcouple
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Hope you and the vet work out a treatment to help him and hope its not to late good luck with him.
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seumas12345
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Hey guys, just got back from the vet then. OMG what a mission... I rocked up at 8am on the dot which was when the reptile vet was suppose to arrive... I walked in and told the girl at the counter that I was waiting for him and she told me he wasn't in yet and to have a seat... I sat in that damn seat for one hour, until finally someone came up to me and said they had just phoned him and he had been called out to the NT wildlife park, and that there was another reptile vet that would see me. So I sat around for another half an hour until finally I got to see the vet... Yes he has stomatitis (mouth rot) which I suspected... He is on fortum injections every two days... For some reason they gave me 4 weeks worth and said I can freeze it and use it for future snakes with the same problem...?
One question, my other darwin carpet had the exact same thing only three months prior but she is 100% ok and has been for over a month now. Is there any chance there could have been the infection lying around and the new little guy have has picked it up (or is it safe to say it was from the stress of travelling from brissy last week)? All cages have been sprayed with F10 since his arrival and since the first case of stomatitis and they are housed separately but in the same room of the house.
One question, my other darwin carpet had the exact same thing only three months prior but she is 100% ok and has been for over a month now. Is there any chance there could have been the infection lying around and the new little guy have has picked it up (or is it safe to say it was from the stress of travelling from brissy last week)? All cages have been sprayed with F10 since his arrival and since the first case of stomatitis and they are housed separately but in the same room of the house.
funcouple
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hey glad you got some traetment from the vet. as they tryed to tell you the other day there is nothing wrong with him hey they were so wrong this time. hope he recovers well.
pythons73
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That is great news considering it couldve been alot worse.I cant imagine the mouth rot infection laying around as you suggested being the cause of this fella,i could be wrong...Best of luck with your situation.....
Bugsy
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Glad you got a proper diagnosis this time. Wether or not it picked it up from the other snake is hard to say, but i would think that the bino and the previous snake that had it would have to come pretty close in contact to transfer anything. But you say the previous snake that had it is all good now, so i doubt that its picked it up from there. Id say its more likely that the stress from freight and being in a new cage has caused it. Just glad the vet sent you home with a form of treatment this time. Did the vet say you caught it in the early stages? Does the bino have a fighting chance?
seumas12345
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FC yeah I was actually quite shocked when I was told he was ok yesterday as even I could clearly tell that he wasn't behaving normally.
Pythons73 - yeah I'm thinking it was from the stress of travelling from Brissy then into a new enclosure that's caused it.
Bugsy - Well he was totally fine on Sunday, had a feed, then went into his hide... I left him and checked him on Monday and I straight away noticed the yawning and clicking sounds coming from the nose so it's obviously been a very fast decline in health.... There are no signs of scratching inside the mouth so I'm guessing he might have developed early stages of the infection within the last week from the stress of moving, and the feed on Sunday irritated the mouth further. Hopefully with the injections he'll recover as quickly as he became sick!
Oh by the way I want to make sure that everyone knows that this has nothing to do with the seller. I had the snake checked out by the vet the same day he arrived from Brissy and was told that he was in top shape and had been very well looked after! Obviously this is something that has developed over the last week from the stress of his new enclosure and the initial 9 hour trip from Brisbane to Darwin.
Cheer and thanks again for all the support!
Seumas
Pythons73 - yeah I'm thinking it was from the stress of travelling from Brissy then into a new enclosure that's caused it.
Bugsy - Well he was totally fine on Sunday, had a feed, then went into his hide... I left him and checked him on Monday and I straight away noticed the yawning and clicking sounds coming from the nose so it's obviously been a very fast decline in health.... There are no signs of scratching inside the mouth so I'm guessing he might have developed early stages of the infection within the last week from the stress of moving, and the feed on Sunday irritated the mouth further. Hopefully with the injections he'll recover as quickly as he became sick!
Oh by the way I want to make sure that everyone knows that this has nothing to do with the seller. I had the snake checked out by the vet the same day he arrived from Brissy and was told that he was in top shape and had been very well looked after! Obviously this is something that has developed over the last week from the stress of his new enclosure and the initial 9 hour trip from Brisbane to Darwin.
Cheer and thanks again for all the support!
Seumas
LullabyLizard
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Glad to hear everything is fine now
waruikazi
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But you were also told he was fine yesterday i'm assuming by the same vet...
seumas12345
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Yeah, on Monday arvo I took him to see the vet (the one who is considered the best in Darwin), explained all the symptoms and he checked the albino over. Though I noticed when he looked inside it's mouth he didn't get a very good look. He said to me that he wasn't showing any signs of mouth rot or an RI on the inside of the mouth with is the number 1 symptoms, and that therefore the yawning and puffing of the throat could be related to the rat that he ate on Sunday. He said that the little guy might have stretched too much or eaten it awkwardly...?
I'd never heard of this before and so of course I asked "then how do you tell if it's mouth rot or if the snake has just eaten it's food awkwardly?" He said "by looking in the mouth, or if it doesn't go away in a couple of days then bring him back"
I took him home, still abit dumbfounded. Then at 8pm I got him out of his tank again and was like, "no way, this little guy is sick".... I called the vet on the his emergency contact number and explained the situation. He said that the snake will need to go on antibiotics, and that he was happy to see me straight away but it really didn't need to be done now and could be left til the morning.
kaylaismyth
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Doesn't sound like a very good vet at all...
Yasmin
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I am a WIRES member and I have come across a python that had been beaten with a stick by some idiot who thought it was venomous. The beating resulted in a fractured skull and jaw. After the fractures healed the python kept doing what looked like yawning, but turns out he hadn't used his mouth for so long due to the fracture and he was doing some little stretches or mouth exercises to realign his jaw! Hopefully it is some as simple as that. BTW I dont believe mouth rot happens spontaneously ie from stressing, although stressing may create the environment suitable to the rot, there has to be something else their to cause it.
seumas12345
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Mmm yeah I know it was a mistake but he usually is a top job vet and I'll continue to take my snakes to him. (plus in the Darwin it's quite hard to find anything decent
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seumas12345
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I had a snake 3 months ago that had been in the exact enclosure for 1 year. It magically developed mouth rot with absolutely no change in husbandry.
I was told by the vet that it could have been irritation from a feed it had, which I'm guessing was the ultimate factor in the downturn of events by the albino... One day he's alive and kicking, had a rat for lunch, the next day he's crook as a dog... Just to clarify about the yawning thing.... this is a pic of what he was doing... most of the time he was just sitting there with his mouth half open so he could breath more easily
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mysnakesau
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Don't develop a false sense of security. It sounds like he may very well have developed it from stress but once the symptoms flare it then becomes contagious to others. Just like the common cold and flu in us. We carry the germs with us but it only flares up when our immune systems are compromised - then we cough and splutter and give it to everyone else. Just take special hygiene care to keep in contained, thats all I am saying.
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seumas12345
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Yeah thanks mysnakeau. I had everything sterilised with F10 before the albino arrived last week and he's in quarantine. I'll make sure I keep things extra clean! Oh just a question, I was told that once a snake has mouth rot or an RI that they germs will lay dorment in the system just like you are talking about, and that when they're immune systems drop or they have high levels of stress, it will flare up. Is this true?
seumas12345
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Just an update. He's still looking pretty crook and won't come out of his hide even though the lights have been off for hours. Is there anything I can do for him to help him recover faster or is it just a waiting game with his antibiotics?
Ishah
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Guys, my albino carpet had a feed yesterday, I took him out of the cage this arvo to see how he was doing, he was clicking, pushing his throat out, and kept opening his mouth... I immediately thought, RI
I took him to the vet straight away, and he saw the best reptile vet in Darwin. The vet said that it could be normal and that he might have stretched too much while feeding or eaten it awkwardly. He had a look inside and said that it there weren't any signs of an RI inside the mouth.
I took him home, and just got him out again and he's still doing it, opening his mouth almost every 30seconds to a minute... I managed to capture this. I really need any experienced herpers to tell me if it looks normal? One thing I noticed, what is that on the roof of the mouth near the snout??
Another thing to note is he came up with AAE from Brissy last Monday so I've only had him a week
(Also, temps, humidity etc... EVERYTHING is perfect I have raised another snake in this exact enclosure before.)
May I ask why you were handling your snake pretty much straight after a feed?:?
All the extra handling checking him and taking him to and from the vet constantly whilst he's just fed can't of helped things much....
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hey seumas,
My girl spotted python has just recovered from a respiratory infection and she was on fortum injections too... it wasn't until the 4th out of the 5 injections (3 days inbetween each shot- so almost 2 weeks later) that I actually started seeing improvements so don't stress to much, it just takes time to kick in.
My girl spotted python has just recovered from a respiratory infection and she was on fortum injections too... it wasn't until the 4th out of the 5 injections (3 days inbetween each shot- so almost 2 weeks later) that I actually started seeing improvements so don't stress to much, it just takes time to kick in.
well ishah, the next day is pretty much not straight after, especially with a snake that size. the next day is fine to handle.
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seumas12345
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Sunday morning 10am the snake had a feed. I took him out of his enclosure to have a two minute check to see how he was doing at 4pm Monday arvo. Correct me if I'm wrong but that is well over twenty-four hours? I have always checked my snakes the next day after a feed to make sure the feed is where it should be and that they are ok. This wasn't about handling, it was about checking him, which obviously was the right thing to do or I wouldn't have noticed there was something wrong with him... Are you saying that it was wrong of me to check up on him (which resulted in me noticing his sickness) and also to take him to the vet? Sounds like you're saying that you would have left him alone for 2 or 3 days and not taken him to the vet to get the vital medicine he needed. Unfortunately by then he probably would have been dead!
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