Striped Diamond holdbacks

[Den from Den Pythons]

Talking of animals;

Now, if i had a rooster, and you had a donkey, and your donkey ate my roosters two feet what would you have???

 

[Retic]

Hang on , I know this one, no wait really. Who am I kidding I have no idea.

 

[Rediah]

A rooster with no feet...?????

 

[Den from Den Pythons]

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[Sanchez]

 

[Rediah]

:shock:

Well atleast my answer was more child friendly! :lol:

 

[Den from Den Pythons]

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[larks]

Very nice striped diamonds, hope they turn out to be genetic for you and the breeder.

 

[stencorp69]

Nice intergrades mate! haha


So how would you define a Diamond python then Jonno, how would you define an Intergrade? Whats the difference.

How would define pure? It moronic to argue purity points, if you like them great if not great again - there is plenty of variation in spilota. An intergrade is no more or less pure than a imbricata given that they are all spilota. If you talk about pure then you need to include a location and even then you'll not be able to conclude it's "pure" due to genetic diversity within the location due to environmental adaptation and natural genetic mutation

Sten

 

[ozianimals]

Nice stripies mate when you get some hatchies put me on the list I'll take at least a pair......

Nice diamonds Jonno......

 

[pugsly]

Not what I asked Jonno, clearly they are Diamonds, and some very nice ones, but I asked how you would describe a Diamond, and how you would describe an Intergrade. Now the very reason you didn't want to answer that is obviously because your description of an intergrade would most likely see Boa's animals fit it.

I have had many a chat with Boa about these animals, he knows my thoughts and its all good.

But I AM interested to know your thoughts, how can we define a Diamond as per the literature on them, and then say no, they can look like anything? Why define them at all, have a whole complex from North Melbourne to Coffs if you want to fit Boa's into it.

The snakes do not have the appearance of a Diamond, yes I know the heritage, fine, and they are damn nice animals sure. But, I call a Diamond a Diamond, on what I have read, found etc. I have my own opinions of what a Diamond looks like (often quite vocal ones) and I want to hear yours.

As noted Sten, we can't conclude its pure at all. I have no doubt that there was some form of intergrade line in the blood somewhere..

 

[zulu]

re Striped

Ime working on diamonded carpets :lol:

 

[BROWNS]

Those are certainly pushing the boundries of what's a diamond or not and if they are pure it would be interesting to see if the parents have thrown this type before or not and even if the parents are said to be pure Gosford animals which would have to be traced back thoroughly to wild caught animals from an exaact locality in Gosford.

To me striping could occur in any species as it does such as it has here and with bredli 2 species which aren't very common to have stripes at all so i'm hoping for the breeders etc i's a genetic mutation which can happen with all animals but all the indicators of the animals boa posted are really pushing those boundries and indicators of being pure such as the very large or conjoined rosettes or saddles and stripes are a bit more than most would still accept as being pure and as said unless you 100% know their ancestory it's all a guess???

To me they scream intergrades not crosses and at a guess without knowing the ancestory even though the parents appear to be pure there could well be a touch of intergrade in there soewhere otherwise why would such pure well marked parents throw such unusuallly marked offspring that have very far from the norm of what is accepted or commonly known to be or have the classic markers and characteristics of a pure diamond which is not necessarily perfect rosettes and no striping at all as has been shown many times it does occur in pure diamonds but i have never seen it to this degree is all i'm saying!Nobody is an expert and even show someone who is very experienced with the purity of diamonds these animals without them knowing their background i'm sure they would say not pure also it's only those who know for sure they came from Gosford from originally wild caught animals....do these happen to come from Craig Lattas line at all?

Nice animals however i prefer the look of a typical diamond like the parents with nice high yellow!There's no use arguing about the purity and intergrades etc as there will always be something come along contrary to the norm to throw a spanner in the works and prove many others wrong,variety is big and unless we know the lineage ourselves or have the experience of having caught hundreds of pure diamonds in the wild none of us can say for sure if they are pure or not as most are just going on what's written and said to be a pure diamond and what characteristics they are meant to have to be classed as pure,that's just what i reckon anyway!!

 

[Moreliaman]

Thats something a bit different ash....bit like this bredli i found on the net

Striped bredli

 

[pugsly]

There is a few striped Bredli going around now.. Nice animal too.

There not a Latta line Browns, there Dan Gilbertson I think, (or Matt Bonnet has some similar, not the stripes, but wierd patterns..)

Again, I dont know why people want a diamond that looks like an intergrade, but each to their own hey Boa!! Its a beautiful snake non the less.

 

[Colin]

boa was 'goldenboy' the father of your diamonds?

 

[zulu]

Striped Diamond

Those are certainly pushing the boundries of what's a diamond or not and if they are pure it would be interesting to see if the parents have thrown this type before or not and even if the parents are said to be pure Gosford animals which would have to be traced back thoroughly to wild caught animals from an exaact locality in Gosford.

To me striping could occur in any species as it does such as it has here and with bredli 2 species which aren't very common to have stripes at all so i'm hoping for the breeders etc i's a genetic mutation which can happen with all animals but all the indicators of the animals boa posted are really pushing those boundries and indicators of being pure such as the very large or conjoined rosettes or saddles and stripes are a bit more than most would still accept as being pure and as said unless you 100% know their ancestory it's all a guess???

To me they scream intergrades not crosses and at a guess without knowing the ancestory even though the parents appear to be pure there could well be a touch of intergrade in there soewhere otherwise why would such pure well marked parents throw such unusuallly marked offspring that have very far from the norm of what is accepted or commonly known to be or have the classic markers and characteristics of a pure diamond which is not necessarily perfect rosettes and no striping at all as has been shown many times it does occur in pure diamonds but i have never seen it to this degree is all i'm saying!Nobody is an expert and even show someone who is very experienced with the purity of diamonds these animals without them knowing their background i'm sure they would say not pure also it's only those who know for sure they came from Gosford from originally wild caught animals....do these happen to come from Craig Lattas line at all?

Nice animals however i prefer the look of a typical diamond like the parents with nice high yellow!There's no use arguing about the purity and intergrades etc as there will always be something come along contrary to the norm to throw a spanner in the works and prove many others wrong,variety is big and unless we know the lineage ourselves or have the experience of having caught hundreds of pure diamonds in the wild none of us can say for sure if they are pure or not as most are just going on what's written and said to be a pure diamond and what characteristics they are meant to have to be classed as pure,that's just what i reckon anyway!!

That really fluoro yellow diamond parent looks like the female i had from the 97 amnesty when a guy i know crossed lismore coastals with black wild caught diamonds,thje 50/50s come out with rossettes and weird fluoro yellow colouration,he sold dozens of them as diamonds all over the place.The ones in the first pictures on the thread look like jungle crosses IMO.
Ime obviously in the minority but i think if youre breeding hybrids or integrades or your unsure sell them for what they are as the captive gene pool is being broken down.Its a reflaction of how hard to keep and breed real diamonds are that these oddities are popping up begging for acceptance by us amatuers that are not in the know. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

 

[Retic]

Wayne, thanks very much, we are both hoping it is genetic.
Mark, that is a beautiful Bredli but can't be pure with a stripe like that
Colin, yes Goldenboy was the father.
Thanks everyone for your input.

 

[flavirufus]

Matt Bonnet has some similar, not the stripes, but wierd patterns...

Hi Pugsly,
We certainly have stripes in our lineage He's been mating away happily this season....
Matt

 

[pugsly]

Sorry Matt, forgot about that one, seen him before.

Again spectacular animal (obviously) but I just can't call it a Diamond, thats just me. What makes a 'Diamond' to me is the patterns, the individual rosettes, and to some degree colouring. Just like the literature. That animal, although I know you are going to tell me was a 'Gosford' or wherever in 'Diamond' territory, IMO has to have some intergrade/carpet blood in it.

I was of the belief it may have been incubation, but thats since been disproved, so I just can't see how we can call it a Diamond when it clearly looks nothing like one!

Again, I would LOVE it in my collection, but can't see how you would ever see one like that in any of the known Diamond territories, I am yet to see a photograph of one which was FOUND in Diamond territory that looks anything like having stripes, let alone ones like that.

JMO