Some Morelia's

[pythons73]

I cant believe this has gone on and on,Imo the pure snakes are Heaps nicer than any Hybrid,i hope the time never comes when all the pure snakes are a rarity,and produce a higher price.There is no need to cross breed any reptile,we have so many nice snakes as it is.Why would we want to end up like America crossing this with that.Im going to dissagree with you Rob with one thing,Darwins are Nice,thats why i own a couple...Cheers every1....Have a nice day....

 

[Ramsayi]

To everyone that thinks it is fine because there will always be breeders keeping things pure.What if every single breeder decided to mix all Morelia together?What would you then think if all you could purchase was a muddy mixture of all the different Morelia we currently enjoy now?

 

[PhilK]

To everyone that thinks it is fine because there will always be breeders keeping things pure.What if every single breeder decided to mix all Morelia together?What would you then think if all you could purchase was a muddy mixture of all the different Morelia we currently enjoy now?

..If there are always breeders who like purity that will never happen, so it is an irrelevant question.

 

[Ramsayi]

..If there are always breeders who like purity that will never happen, so it is an irrelevant question.

I suppose just like it will never happen that the hybridisers will never misrepresent whats in their lines and everyone who purchases and breeds these things will continue to do the same..

Its not irrelevant.If people are saying its ok to not take any responsibilty for their actions because other will always continue to do the right thing.Its a total cop out.

 

[QldMorelias]

who said they were in QLD, the animals are not in my posession, they belong to a friend on the central coast, NSW. I merely posted the pics and started the thread to spark interest

Very true.. If you ignore that whole hybrid vigour thing.

This has been an awesome thread to read and I am more replying to subscribe to it and keep track of it than for any other reason (as I don't have much to add I guess)..
The only thing I can think of is that regardless of all hi professionalism and good intentions and honesty, QldMorelias doesn't seem to understand that what his 'mates' are doing is illegal.. You aren't allowed to breed hybrids - FACT.

It is tantamount to me posting a thread on here about how nice my hybrid marijuana bushes are coming along..

EDIT: I am also curious if they are being legitimately bred in Qld (as I assume QLDMorelias and his friends are doing) how they are being recorded on their papers, seeing as doing so is illegal here? Don't thin QLDMorelias has answered that..

 

[CarpetPythons.com.au]

Expensive jags in expensive caging. Vision brand caging. Looks like Jungle jag, Irian Jaya jag and not too sure what the first one is. Could of course just be a normal coastal jag. But the reduced head pattern is a definite indication that these snakes are jag. The colours could also not be a true indication of the real colour as we know how hard it is to take photos of snakes. They are probably more spectacular in real life. Nevertheless beautiful snakes. This should spice up the reptile hobby in Australia. Some people drive Holdens, some drive Mercedes Benz. We all have our taste in what we like. I am so sick of hearing how hard the locality breeders are done by? Thats all you here, how these guys are taking away the achievements of some of the long time line breeders. People will buy those snakes because they are pretty, not because they want to make a point. You dont buy something if you dont like it. Lets all move on and get over it!

 

[=bECS=]

I suppose just like it will never happen that the hybridisers will never misrepresent whats in their lines and everyone who purchases and breeds these things will continue to do the same..

Its not irrelevant. If people are saying its ok to not take any responsibilty for their actions because other will always continue to do the right thing.Its a total cop out.

Exactly!!
Like others have said, designer snakes might become a popular fad, but pure in the end will always end up costing higher $$
Alot of American breeders would kill to have the pure lines we have.

So, whos to say that a breeder wont knowingly creates hybrids but they look exactly like one of the parents, so they sell them as 'pure' to get the extra cash.

Meanwhile, an up and coming breeder who honestly brought their snakes from known pure lines, would cast a doubt in buyers mind and have more trouble moving their hatchies on, simply because they are unknown.

How can you prove that a snake is from the lines you claim it is? Im sure breeders who move alot of stock cant remember every single person who had purchased from them, and how many times do you see snakes for sale claiming to be from ' *insert whatever name* lines'?

Whos to say someone hasn't just added this tag along the way to bump up the price of the animal?

I can see things becoming very messy if hybrids become widely accepted by both authorities and keepers.

 

[TrueBlue]

Kersten,- Yes i think thats exactly who it is. Moreliahunter reincarnated perhaps.????

 

[Kris]

Speaks the english too good though Rob.

 

[Den from Den Pythons]

Interesting read....

Question for the people experienced in taxonomy facts (current standing facts obviously)....I had a conversation with a member of this site today, someone who knows far more about morelia taxonomy than I. His knowledge points to imbricata, bredli and spilota spilota being genetically different to all east coast carpets (we didn't delve into viridis). On that basis breeding a carpet from the Murray falls area with a hypo coastal wouldn't be a hybrid, essentially rather a locale cross? Similar to pairing a Cape York and Brisbane maculosa...? Opinions??

On the Jag subject; I assume everyone that is against 'aussie jags' would not currently or NEVER keep a Green python unless the offspring are the progeny of the few select originally 'legal' lines available? A great majority of the available greens in aus are also crosses, not hybrids but rather across island crosses (essentially the same as the animals posted in this thread).... More opinions???

And I'll beat you to the line Rob, you don't like Gorilla snot.... Bikinis however....:lol:

 

[Gecko :)]

Wow this would have to be an APS record for a Hybrid thread that is still going 20 pages later!!
Seems alot of ppl have changed their tune,.

Keep it pure,. or if you feel you need to breed Hybrids,. be honest

 

[tamaree]

Absolutly gorgious markings and colours ,, id love to know more about them and if your friend will be selling any of them or their offspring ,, thanks ,, tammy

 

[dailyskin]

I adore those ones on page one. I truly would love to have one to display. However, I have always been in love with the mad and insane...

I keep in my wallet the most BEAUTIFUL photo of a kitten born with two faces. It is the most precious little thing. And I adore 2-headed animals, hairless mice, celestial fish... I know it's wrong but I do love them all!

 

[TrueBlue]

Den,
hahaha, Yeah greens just do nothing for me. But bikinis on hot babes, well thats one of gods great creations. No man can deny that.!! lol.

Fortunatly the only geens i own are from legal lines.

In a sence the way taxonomy has it at the moment you friend is correct, but we all know there are different sub-species of this sub-species, (for lack of a better term). East coast carpets have evolved sperately into a number of different forms which are quite distinct from each other one way or another, as we all reconise these forms., ie diamonds, coastals mds, jungles, cape yorks etc.
Im sure one day when dna testing is more refind the science communtiy will have ways to to also reconise them.

 

[bigi]

For those who wanted to know how you would record this in the NSW diary's when selling simular animals, the most likely answer. Direct from the NSW Website on codes

C2825 [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Morelia spilota [/FONT][/FONT]Carpet Python (only for "subspecies" not known)

 

[chilli]

who said they were in QLD, the animals are not in my posession, they belong to a friend on the central coast, NSW. I merely posted the pics and started the thread to spark interest

did your friend ask you to join aps and a day later post pics of his/her jags and call them rp crosses. why draw heat to yourself if you've got smuggled animals.

i only wish npws, customs, aqis had some competency to stop the illicit trade in these and greens etc. oh well i guess you know you're safe, but why put up this crap about rp crosses?

 

[disasterpiece7.0]

Expensive jags in expensive caging. Vision brand caging. Looks like Jungle jag, Irian Jaya jag and not too sure what the first one is. Could of course just be a normal coastal jag. But the reduced head pattern is a definite indication that these snakes are jag.

I dissagree, I've been looking at way too many jag pics lately, these guys look to have too much head pattern for ajag. sure it's highly reduced, but Joel's Prossies are much more reduced then these. Would you say they're jags?

IMO these are not true jags, of course we can't be 100% sure without owning and breeding them to test genetics but just looking at them I don't see a jag there.

 

[Southside Morelia]

I agree with disasterpiece..Def not as reduced as real "jags"!
Joels are RP prossies aren't they?(correct me if i'm wrong and i'm a massive fan of his line) same as what I have. These are def jungles, gauging by the head pattern...thoughts anyone?
Roger has a pure line of RP jungles which are stunning as well, have some of his and again a massive fan!!! These guys are leading the forefront in OZ "jag" pure breds... Bring it on guys!

I dissagree, I've been looking at way too many jag pics lately, these guys look to have too much head pattern for ajag. sure it's highly reduced, but Joel's Prossies are much more reduced then these. Would you say they're jags?

IMO these are not true jags, of course we can't be 100% sure without owning and breeding them to test genetics but just looking at them I don't see a jag there.

 

[disasterpiece7.0]

I agree with disasterpiece..Def not as reduced as real "jags"!
Joels are RP prossies aren't they?(correct me if i'm wrong and i'm a massive fan of his line) same as what I have. These are def jungles, gauging by the head pattern...thoughts anyone?
Roger has a pure line of RP jungles which are stunning as well, have some of his and again a massive fan!!! These guys are leading the forefront in OZ "jag" pure breds... Bring it on guys!

They are RP prossies. I've also seen some cape yorks from shane blacks like that are far more reduced then these, and pure jungles more reduced (not sure of the line). What makes these jag like is the pattern style.

 

[wizz]

o no there are Hybrid peple to .........Keep it pure lol .........im a Hybrid my dad is jamaican and my mum is english lol......