Some Morelia's
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Unfortuneatly they disappear from the wild due to land clearing, water pollution, lack of food for hatchlings , climate change, they do not disappear for no reason. So to re-populate a whole lot of other issues will need to be fixed. This is unlikely to happen.
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Hey qldmorelias,- are you taking any of these animals to the qld reptile show.??[/quote]
That would be good, to see them in the flesh
That would be good, to see them in the flesh
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The reason I like pure animals is the exact reason other people want hybrids, We only have our own native animals for the hobby in Australia, that's why I see it as a good reason to keep each sub-species seperate (to keep as many varieties available as possible to keepers.) Others see the same thing however want to try and breed "new varieties" to fill out the market. But only one method has the ability to eventually make the other option obsolete....
great detective work. It seems the person who took the photos says he took them in Northern NSW. the person posting the pics says they are in Central coast NSW, acusee No1 MH, is in Vic acusee No2 Wokka is in Newcastle (locale is neither northern NSW or Central coast, but smack bang in between) which according to some was the only point that didnt fit the description of him LOL jj wok.
It doesnt take a genius to work out who some people are, on here, but man i am confused now.
Anyway it was a fun read, thx for the entertainment
Jags are ugly anyway. why cant someone bring some gila monsters over and cross them with a blue tongue.NOW that would be something to argue about. :shock:
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is it about time shut down this thread or is it classified good for Australian reptiles? maybe its just me but a bit sick of this thread
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quote=Moreliac;1366756]I personally dislike hybrids. What will happen if one day we need to replenish wild stock because of extinction or other problems. I personally would like pure lines to go back into the wild. Not these mongrels ppl seem to wont to produce. Also i think most of them are ugly.[/quote]
Thats what Zoos and the Taxon advisory group are for. Private herpers will probabaly nver be considered to help in a recovery program, if it were ever needed.
Thats what Zoos and the Taxon advisory group are for. Private herpers will probabaly nver be considered to help in a recovery program, if it were ever needed.
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I guess you will never know, hey Rob?
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Oh I think we do :lol:
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Maybe Australians should not be allowed to keep their native snake species as from what I have read on this forum there are too many of you who are extremely slack about the way in which you keep you snakes which leads to their ultimate escape.
Then there are those of you who are anti hybrids / crosses.
Your problem is that the snakes that you keep are from your native fauna and whether you keep pure line species or hybrids does not have a bearing as regards to retaining the integrity of your native wildlife stocks.
In a nutshell none of you if you are that concerned about your countries future health of its wildlife should be keeping reptiles in captivity as there are always going to be the idiots amongst you who either release their pet snakes into the wild out of their natural ranges or have them escape due to inadequate enclosures or just being absent minded.
It does not matter if you are keeping pure - specific locality species or good old mongrels as if you are keeping either and one were to escape it poses an equal threat to the purity of the native snake population. Morelia species are the best example as a male morelia of any of the varieties will quite happily mate any female be she a GTP, coastal, jungle, bredli or whatever because as far as he is concerned a shag is a shag (they dont need you to rub the skin of a freshly shed female of their own species onto a female of another to entice mating as they just love to mate hence why they don't discriminate on their quest for female company ).
So in reality for those of you who are anti hybrids on the grounds of well 'what f it were to escape etc etc' you should really think twice about keeping your snakes. Maybe you should not be keeping snakes or if you really have to then maybe you should only keep snakes that are found in your very immediate locality and not keep snakes from other areas and especially not from any other states in Australia.
Alternatively you could just start keeping them just a bit more responsibly and stop them from escaping and then you may just never have any future problems with artificial hybridisation in the wild.
Then there are those of you who are anti hybrids / crosses.
Your problem is that the snakes that you keep are from your native fauna and whether you keep pure line species or hybrids does not have a bearing as regards to retaining the integrity of your native wildlife stocks.
In a nutshell none of you if you are that concerned about your countries future health of its wildlife should be keeping reptiles in captivity as there are always going to be the idiots amongst you who either release their pet snakes into the wild out of their natural ranges or have them escape due to inadequate enclosures or just being absent minded.
It does not matter if you are keeping pure - specific locality species or good old mongrels as if you are keeping either and one were to escape it poses an equal threat to the purity of the native snake population. Morelia species are the best example as a male morelia of any of the varieties will quite happily mate any female be she a GTP, coastal, jungle, bredli or whatever because as far as he is concerned a shag is a shag (they dont need you to rub the skin of a freshly shed female of their own species onto a female of another to entice mating as they just love to mate hence why they don't discriminate on their quest for female company ).
So in reality for those of you who are anti hybrids on the grounds of well 'what f it were to escape etc etc' you should really think twice about keeping your snakes. Maybe you should not be keeping snakes or if you really have to then maybe you should only keep snakes that are found in your very immediate locality and not keep snakes from other areas and especially not from any other states in Australia.
Alternatively you could just start keeping them just a bit more responsibly and stop them from escaping and then you may just never have any future problems with artificial hybridisation in the wild.
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Encore, encore, encore! Love your work diamondgeeza!
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Its not unheard of actually diamondgeeza (private keepers like Craig Latta),
besides very few people would be anti-hybrid on the basis you argue against, that being the
release of stock back to the wild.
Do you also have a problem with keepers in North America keeping Corns? for the reasons
you mention, or is it just us silly little Australians who have snakes escape.. surely more
corns escape each year in America than Australian snakes escaping from Aussie collections
given the minuscule number of reptile keepers (people in general) in Australia...
A quick look at some north American field herper reports will give you an idea.
If you want to talk about native wild life , perhaps its overseas keepers who then should
be prohibited from keeping Australian fauna, to cut back the market for smuggling reptiles
out of the country? (im not saying it would work however).
besides very few people would be anti-hybrid on the basis you argue against, that being the
release of stock back to the wild.
Do you also have a problem with keepers in North America keeping Corns? for the reasons
you mention, or is it just us silly little Australians who have snakes escape.. surely more
corns escape each year in America than Australian snakes escaping from Aussie collections
given the minuscule number of reptile keepers (people in general) in Australia...
A quick look at some north American field herper reports will give you an idea.
If you want to talk about native wild life , perhaps its overseas keepers who then should
be prohibited from keeping Australian fauna, to cut back the market for smuggling reptiles
out of the country? (im not saying it would work however).
hehe Australis,
Yes, us silly little aussies should cross breed our reptiles now based on this pom's thorough understanding of keeping in Australia,
As England is so similar to Australia's situation, ie they have a grass skink as their only native reptile hehe, and we have everything.
Also, most reptiles that escaped in England would be dead the next winter, most wouldnt survive the summer :lol:
What does it matter to a pom, south african, canadian or whatever, how Australians want to keep their native fauna,
Maybe before they preach the way of the future, and the benefit to Australian reptile hobby, we should realize that, most want it 'like home' more than any 'advancement' of our hobby,
Would they cross breed a Tree Kangaroo with a Big Red? Ya might get 'Red German Giants" climbing trees or hopping backwards
Yes, us silly little aussies should cross breed our reptiles now based on this pom's thorough understanding of keeping in Australia,
As England is so similar to Australia's situation,
ie they have a grass skink as their only native reptile hehe, and we have everything. Also, most reptiles that escaped in England would be dead the next winter, most wouldnt survive the summer :lol:
What does it matter to a pom, south african, canadian or whatever, how Australians want to keep their native fauna,
Maybe before they preach the way of the future, and the benefit to Australian reptile hobby, we should realize that, most want it 'like home' more than any 'advancement' of our hobby,
Would they cross breed a Tree Kangaroo with a Big Red? Ya might get 'Red German Giants" climbing trees or hopping backwards
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For everyone out there wanting to know who Qld Morelias is, I have just posted a photo of my true identity on the Qld Morelias page, Just click the Qld Morelias icon on this message to view. Lets see how good your detective work is now.
and yes the other photos in the gallery are a collection from around the globe and some from Aus, not trying to take credit for other peoples work, just trying to open more peoples eyes to what can be done.
and yes the other photos in the gallery are a collection from around the globe and some from Aus, not trying to take credit for other peoples work, just trying to open more peoples eyes to what can be done.
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