Some Morelia's

[Retic]

Sorry, no anchovies and I'd go for a Prius over the Holden, go the hybrids :lol:

Go the Anchovies while driving a Holden.........couldnt get any better.......yes it could Anchovies, a Clubsport, and a xxxx............Mmm, "liking lips"............

 

[phatt01]

Sorry, no anchovies and I'd go for a Prius over the Holden, go the hybrids :lol:[/quote
very good pmsl a lot

 

[phatt01]

How is that contradictive? Are you implying that tri striped animals in the hobby are the result of hybridising?

The fish are biting

 

[scorps]

Ramsayi; He was implying that the tri striped where produced form line breeding not hybridising which somehow this thread is also focusing on.

I am not saying their are no tri striped snakes in the wild.

 

[phatt01]

Ramsayi; He was implying that the tri striped where produced form line breeding not hybridising which somehow this thread is also focusing on.

I am not saying their are no tri striped snakes in the wild.

Thanks Scorps. That was wot I was trying to say, but to many bourbons

 

[Australis]

I am sure they do escape elsewhere Australis but it seems to be only you Australians who whinge so much about snakes being anti hybrid (and by whinge I mean whinge more than us pomes) and stating that it is the hybrids that will cause the problems to you native snakes when they escape.

Its only a very small minority of people who even think hybrids escaping will be particularly detrimental
to wild populations over other non-local escapees... in fact come to think of it i don't personally know a single
person who holds such views, seems to be mostly younger forum members (no offense to young people).
You do seem to be baising your opinions of the reptile keeping hobby as a whole on a single reptile forum..:lol:
good work.

So in addition to hydrids should you also be now bullying the keepers who selectively breed?

"Bullying" oh god :lol: cry me a river.
I don't have any problem with selective breeding, considering its essentially the only form of breeding
possible in captivity for the most part at least.

ps. you will also find that the majority of Australian snakes smuggled out of Australia is by Australians. You will also find that the majority of it was captive bred too such as the albino darwins etc etc

I never suggested it wasn't Australians or at least "residents" doing the smuggling, the nationality of the
actual smuggler is completely irrelevant to the point i raised... which is the o/s keepers being the market
for Australian animals, which in turn prompts the smugglers.

 

[Australis]

Rather contradictive. Has anyone seen a tri striped coastal, jungle etc, in the wild.
We see striped but never seen tri's, not even photos of them. Iam sure if there was tri striped animals in the wild, there would be photos..... Seen neither.
I guess it is the same end result.

:lol: ... yes ive seen tri striped coastals in the wild, so would most who look,
hell i bet if you put the bourbon down and left your computer you might even
see some yourself.

 

[Kris]

I find tri-stripes, Hypos and oh, this one is the best- axanthics quite often. I'm a relocator in Central QLD and don't consider any of them particularly unusual. Some of the rubbish that some new, flash in the pan morph breeders(they're funny little buggers) advertise is so sad you could cry. Maybe I should photograph every one that I find from now on.

Kris

 

[phatt01]

:lol: ... yes ive seen tri striped coastals in the wild, so would most who look,
hell i bet if you put the bourbon down and left your computer you might even
see some yourself.

Funny how no one posts pics of them, cause i sure as hell know if I saw one I would take photos.
I might add I probably travell more than you do in a year, in a week. I see more snakes a week in the wild than most people do in their lifetime!

 

[melgalea]

:shock::shock::shock::shock: is this thread still going.

 

[Kris]

Funny how no one posts pics of them, cause i sure as hell know if I saw one I would take photos.
I might add I probably travell more than you do in a year, in a week. I see more snakes a week in the wild than most people do in their lifetime!

Do you travel during the day?

Why would I take photos of something that I consider ordinary?

Zoocam, this thread got shut down 3 pages ago. You are imagining you are reading this. Go to bed.

 

[melgalea]

Zoocam, this thread got shut down 3 pages ago. You are imagining you are reading this. Go to bed.

oh good it is shut down. was beginning to think all the beer was making me think it was still open.

 

[phatt01]

Do you travel during the day?

Why would I take photos of something that I consider ordinary?

Zoocam, this thread got shut down 3 pages ago. You are imagining you are reading this. Go to bed.

I travell day and night cover from Mackay to Bowen to collinsville to moranbah to dysart middlemount clermont emerald blackwater biloela tarong then back to mackay, you being in cq would have knowledge of the areas i travell and the animals that would inhabit those said areas.

 

[Bushfire]

Snake Power, I agree its up to the buyer to choose if they don't like it they wont pay, the same goes with people peddling hybrids as prue, if the buyer sees the animal and something just doesn't seem right they wont buy it and look else where, there is enough breeders out there breeding Morelia spilota ssp. for buyers to have a greater choice. For example at the moment I'm in the market for some juv diamonds, in my mind I have a clear picture on what a diamond should look like, if the animal in the add or what I see doesn't meet my expectations I'm not gonna buy it, it may well be a prue diamond but it comes down to whether I'm happy with my purchase and I wont be unless it meets my expectations. Then there is the rep and trust in the breeder. Now days when I want to buy something prue Ill go to someone with a good name and Ive heard good things about from other buyers. As the water gets muddy as you say with spilota those that want prue lines will seek the more reputable breeders and do their research more in what a prue should look like. I would be more angry with hybrid breeders if say they got hold of SW Womas or oenpellis before anyone else did and started crossing them before making prue lines available.

Also I think albino darwins are tainted anyway, like come on how many keepers kept it to that specific locality and discarded other Darwins. The first one had a known locality but everyone just thought oh well this one is close enough. As the new albinos pop up in the other subspecies, I think it will be up to the buyers whether they believe the portrayed story or not, and that will depend on the evidence provided to support their claims.

 

[Kris]

Then I'm sorry you've never seen one, seems like you'd like to. You've missed the area that I live in on that list........maybe I have them all here

 

[phatt01]

Then I'm sorry you've never seen one, seems like you'd like to. You've missed the area that I live in on that list........maybe I have them all here

Maybe u do. Can post some pics as i would love to see one from the wild. Where in cq are u?

 

[megrim]

If that's the case why do the animals need to be pure stock?

One of the more insightful questions I've seen posed in this thread.

Yet to be tackled by either side of the 'fence'.

When one is line breeding to produce beautiful and extreme colours/patterns that differ from the majority of wild caught locality specimens, often to the point of only bearing resemblance in body shape alone, what indeed is the importance of 'pure' stock?.

 

[ihaveherps]

When one is line breeding to produce beautiful and extreme colours/patterns that differ from the majority of wild caught locality specimens, often to the point of only bearing resemblance in body shape alone, what indeed is the importance of 'pure' stock?.

Easy, because as in most breeding programs, only a percentage of the offspring are the desired outcome, the rest are varying degrees of the initial genetic possibilities.... if using pure stock then all offspring, are still pure, and likely to be variations from wild type to extreme morphs (obviously only relevent to the quote when the goal is locale morphs). If your mixing sub-species, you may hit that small percentage that you are chasing, though the rest are just average mutts. So the reason is at worst wild type if locale.... or average mutts that really dont have much to contribute to any real future programs.

 

[Minka]

How ridiculous. I wish i could delete this thread and half the people contributing in it... Imo any average "wild type" pure animal eclipses the below standard muddied animals in circulation today.

 

[megrim]

Easy, because as in most breeding programs, only a percentage of the offspring are the desired outcome, the rest are varying degrees of the initial genetic possibilities.... if using pure stock then all offspring, are still pure, and likely to be variations from wild type to extreme morphs (obviously only relevent to the quote when the goal is locale morphs). If your mixing sub-species, you may hit that smaee percentage that you are chasing, though the rest are just average mutts.

This makes good sense to me, thankyou

My only issue however, is with the percentage of offspring that are "varying degrees of the initial genetic possibilities". If I were looking for pure locality animals, especially to breed, these animals that look standard but carry possible wild morphs are now as usueless as any mongrel hybrid. They'll never be bred back to a pure, simple local morph, and unscrupulous breeders may sell them off as "non-line bred" locality-morph pure animals, only to throw strange and wonderful morphs a few years down the line when bred with a genuine local-pure morph.
Admittedly it's a niche problem, but a problem none-the-less, and one that could potentially affect those wishing to keep their animals as true to local and original colouring as possible.