Some Morelia's

[QldMorelias]

Mudimans and No-two,- it is NOT illegal to keep and breed albinos in QLD. The are a naturally occuring mutation, i have spoken to QPWS about this and they have no problem with it.
What they are talking about are man made mutations that are NOT naturally occouring, as it seems they do not want the reptile hobby going the same way as the bird hobby.

Rob, what do you think about line breeding and selective breeding to the point when an animal looks nothing like its wild type cousin. Is that not the same thing. eg Platinum Spotteds, designer chondros, striped carpets etc
If what you say is representing what QPWS have stated they have a very very large grey area to contend with, so whats wrong with crossing locales and even species to create designer snakes, in essence they are exactly the same thing as line breeding to produce an animal that looks entirely different to a wild animal of that species (which is what most keepers have been doing for the last 10 years). Once again eg Platinum spotteds, Chondros, striped carpets

each to their own

 

[idontlikeurmango]

Yes, this sticky thread explains it well.
http://www.aussiepythons.com/forum/herp-help/faq-what-is-a-hybrid-44640

That is not the commonly used definition of Hybrid and certainly not what I am talking about!!!

I guess almost every breeder in Oz is guilty of hybridising if what you are saying is correct.

A Proserpine locale McDowelli bred with a Townsville McDowelli IS NOT A HYBRID!!!!!!!! It is breeding of two exactly the same subspecies from different localities.

A Tully Cheynei bred with a Townsville McDowelli IS A HYBRID!!!!!!

And with that use of the term you are almost openly encouraging taking from the wild. How else would one know if they have anything pure? God forbid someone back all those years ago didn't have the exact same 2 locales of Tully Cheynei..... In your definition wouldn't a Tully Cheynei from one side of the Gorge and a Tully Cheynei from the other side of the Gorge bred and be a hybrid???? Pfffffttttt...

Back on topic. Beautiful snakes whatever they are QldMorelia, thank you for sharing.

 

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Fancy trying to hide your jags as hybrids :lol:

Real credible stuff

Lets see some sibling pics - hehe - thought not.

 

[QldMorelias]

Hi all, these pics are of siblings to the parents of the yellow cloured reduced pattern animals in the first post, I am really bad with cameras and computers so the pics aren't great, the first animal traces back to the Murray Falls area and is fairly indicative of what the mother looked like except for the fact that the photo has washed alot of colour out, the second is very similar to the father and as you can see is mcdowelli with reduced black and reduced pattern and in the fleshi s very lemon yellow in colour. Hope these help and hope they work

 

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hehe siblings to the offspring I meant. :lol: Surely there were more in the clutches?
Even though you are bad with a camera, you are amazingly quick at getting to your mates place for some new pics Maybe you could zip back there and take some hatchling sibling pics?


Siblings to the parents? Your credibility is weakening, why the new username? Who are you really?
I love these wind-up threads, :lol:

 

[Mudimans]

Rob i'm not saying that you shouldn't breed albinos or that your doing something wrong but by your own admittion you say that albinos are a mutation. Looking at the Qld EPA site it doesn't say "illegal to knowingly breed hybrids and mutations, but albinos are ok" it says "Illegal to knowingly breed hybrids and mutations" It makes no exceptions.

And as for your argument that they don't want it to go the same way as birds have. Do you not keep holdbacks with a specific pattern or colour to try and breed stripes for example, hypo's, high yellow in diamonds, B+W Jungles, gold headed BHP's. Are these what the EPA are trying to avoid.

I believe you when you say that the EPA aren't trying to stop the breeding of albinos but the government has to be more specific in what they want and what they don't want, going purely by their guidelines we can't breed for any specifc trait. And isn't that the ultimate goal of most breeders?

Once again not having a go at anyone except maybe the EPA

 

[QldMorelias]

My point exactly, not trying to wind up anyone but really we are all doing the same thing, except we (my partners and I) are doing it with different locales and sub species.

no-one is write or wrong just different

 

[mistymtn]

hehe siblings to the offspring I meant. :lol: Surely there were more in the clutches?
Even though you are bad with a camera, you are amazingly quick at getting to your mates place for some new pics Maybe you could zip back there and take some hatchling sibling pics?


Siblings to the parents? Your credibility is weakening, why the new username? Who are you really?
I love these wind-up threads, :lol:

You are doing very well at answering the select question you want to answer & avoiding the others, like the ones above.

Something smells fishy!!!

 

[ihaveherps]

QldMorelias, whats the deal with hiding behind a new username.... if you and your partners were as transparent as your trying to play it, there would be no need for the shadow games.... own your creations, otherwise stop selling us your stories from under an alias.

 

[megrim]

wouldn't a Tully Cheynei from one side of the Gorge and a Tully Cheynei from the other side of the Gorge bred and be a hybrid???? Pfffffttttt...

I have my own concerns about hybrids, but for me, that line ^ completely spearheads the silly hystrionics and pedantry that appear on here sometimes when hybrids are mentioned.

All I can think of is Helen Lovejoy screeching "WON'T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN!"

 

[QldMorelias]

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if you have a look back through the thread it has taken me a while to get the pics of siblings to the parents, I dont have the time to go back there and take photos at every request, We have been up front with as much as possible, and more will be added when I have the time. You should be happy with the fact that we are starting to share more pics of the ancestry, until now people ( yourself included) have crucified other breeders for even thinking or mentioning crosses, give us a break, you go your way and we'll go ours

 

[Ricko]

someone just testing the market and seeing what sort of hype they can drum up and alas get some demand?

I think it should have just been done in a more upfront manner, than all this dancing around Q's instead of just posting a pic or 2 of the clutch and what parents they came from but then again you could just show anything and not the real parents.

This can only harm your reputation instead of helping it IMHO

Ricko

 

[jasonryles810]

You are doing very well at answering the select question you want to answer & avoiding the others, like the ones above.

Something smells fishy!!!

how about you get off the blokes back! its no wonder people never take responsibility for animals that look anything different then the boring run of crap in out hobby atm, if he had come straight out and said they were his he'd been flamed to a crisp. hats off for having the testicular fortitude to even show these pics! we need blokes like qldmoriela who are prepared to experiment with different traits and colours, expanding the hobby and taking it to new and exciting places.

well done mate, great snakes, look forward to see what you have in 5years time!

 

[Kimmy_88]

haha this thread has certainly stired the pot.:lol:
but no use denying what is happening out there nowa days... some very nice snakes though...who wouldnt want one! alot of people are all up in arms agains hybrids and imports but who wouldnt say no to something trick like one of these.
i love local specific reptiles...a vast majority of our collection is, but we also have some nice thick stripes coastals and some nice jungles that are unknwn origin but bought because they are hot snakes.

but each to there own i guess.
wonder how many more people have similar breeding project
good stuff, kim.

 

[phatt01]

At least albinos are pure, I would rather people breeding them than hybrids.

But its illegal.

 

[Vixen]

But its illegal.

No its not, as just pointed out in a few posts above.

 

[Hetty]

Nice jags :lol:

 

[Mudimans]

Until they change the wording, it is still technically illegal, no matter what the man on the phone said. Stupid law i know

 

[Hetty]

What exactly is the wording? because everything has 'mutations'. All animals (including humans) are mutants.

 

[Mudimans]

Can I breed animals?​

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A person who holds a recreational wildlife licence may breed animals under the licence. It is an offence to knowingly breed a hybrid or mutation of a protected animal; however, the holder of a recreational wildlife licence may breed a mutation, but not a hybrid, of the following:
• a controlled bird
• a commercial bird
• a recreational bird.
The holder must not breed a mutation or hybrid of a restricted bird or of any species of reptile or amphibian.​

A person who holds a recreational wildlife licence that includes international animals may breed an international animal of a species identified on the licence.
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