HELP fight back against the attack on reptile keeping in Qld

[Buggster]

So Woma's are "near threatened"? they are common as muck down here,$100-200 each. Where do these people get their "facts"?

They are, in the wild at least. Prolific in captivity. I reckon there’s more in captivity at this point ‍. It’s a bit of a stupid rule given how many are kept by private keepers

 

[dragonlover1]

They are, in the wild at least. Prolific in captivity. I reckon there’s more in captivity at this point ‍. It’s a bit of a stupid rule given how many are kept by private keepers

This is part of the reason why hobbyists should not be limited to access to animals like this. They are keeping a backup supply if needed in the future

 

[million78280]

Hey I was wondering do you need to live in queensland for have a RWL license ?

 

[Imported_tuatara]

Hey I was wondering do you need to live in queensland for have a RWL license ?

i mean...name wise? yeah, i think so. species on the queensland's RWL? no, not for most.

 

[million78280]

i mean...name wise? yeah, i think so. species on the queensland's RWL? no, not for most.

Well I just wonder if you can apply for a RWL while living in an other state so you can buy reptile in queensland ?

 

[Pauls_Pythons]

Well I just wonder if you can apply for a RWL while living in an other state so you can buy reptile in queensland ?

If not in QLD but you want to but an animal from there you use an import permit system and the seller completes an export permit. Only gets complicated if you are in SA or WA

 

[million78280]

If not in QLD but you want to but an animal from there you use an import permit system and the seller completes an export permit. Only gets complicated if you are in SA or WA

ok cheers

 

[Kyle Hamilton]

South australia have taken up on their regulation changes ,upped fees a little by the looks and moved allot of monitors etc down to basic and some up to specialist ,They have given up on the idea of getting sellers onto a dealers license by numbers etc like NSW and QLD were trying to do ,its too hard and they know it .Getting many of the small monitors on basic license makes sense ,lace monitors and scrub pythons will be on specialist. Seems that some one in south australian wildlife licensing has common sense.

 

[cris]

Has anyone got any news on what is happening with these proposed Qld laws?

 

[Flaviemys purvisi]

Has anyone got any news on what is happening with these proposed Qld laws?

All I know is it doesn't affect me.. I was worried it was going to as I keep and breed Manning River turtles which are not on ANY state's list so I contacted the DEHP and spoke to them on the phone for 20 minutes about whether or not I'm going to have to upgrade to a restricted licence... they couldn't confirm anything over the phone then and there, didn't even know what a Manning River turtle was so they asked me a bunch of questions and said they'd call me back.. 2 hours later they did and their response was this... "Hi Kev, regarding our earlier conversation, it appears the Manning River turtle only naturally occurs in NSW and therefore it is a species of least concern to us here in QLD. You are allowed to keep an unlimited number of them and continue to breed them on your basic QLD wildlife licence."

Happy days.

 

[SheWentMad]

When it comes to pythons and how many you keep... this confuses the Sh*t out of me. There is nothing about all of this new system that actually makes sense.

 

[dragonlover1]

When it comes to pythons and how many you keep... this confuses the Sh*t out of me. There is nothing about all of this new system that actually makes sense.

of course it doesn't make sense. It was designed by boofocrats with no sense of reality . They live in a plastic bubble

 

[SheWentMad]

of course it doesn't make sense. It was designed by boofocrats with no sense of reality . They live in a plastic bubble

Not wrong there! Lets hope someone with brains jumps in and magically sorts it all out

 

[WeirdzandBeardz]

Just as an FYI, I've spoken to a few people who are involved with the QLD licensing lobby (and I have had a limited role in the NSW licensing consultation). As I understand it the new QLD system will implement a 3 level license system with the first two levels having number and breeding restrictions and the last level license being unrestricted (higher costs as you go up a license). Not sure how vens will fit into that specifically with caps. They will also have class levels, QLD is going to be getting a species list that will probably look like an updated version of the NSW list with some additional species included. As I understand it they've got a draft list, but they still have no idea what is kept up there so it's going to get refined as they go because they don't know the half of what is held privately.

I also saw on Facebook that there is going to be a new graduated ven system in QLD that basically mirrors NSW, but with different species in the first level ven license category.

 

[SheWentMad]

From what I've seen a basic license will be a limit of 5 reptiles with no breeding at a cost of $50 something and then it jumps to over $600.00 for 2nd stage license?
Even when we haven't been breeding we have had over 5 reptiles (pythons & lizards) in monster display enclosures just for the joy of having them. I could be completely wrong

 

[dragonlover1]

Just as an FYI, I've spoken to a few people who are involved with the QLD licensing lobby (and I have had a limited role in the NSW licensing consultation). As I understand it the new QLD system will implement a 3 level license system with the first two levels having number and breeding restrictions and the last level license being unrestricted (higher costs as you go up a license). Not sure how vens will fit into that specifically with caps. They will also have class levels, QLD is going to be getting a species list that will probably look like an updated version of the NSW list with some additional species included. As I understand it they've got a draft list, but they still have no idea what is kept up there so it's going to get refined as they go because they don't know the half of what is held privately.

I also saw on Facebook that there is going to be a new graduated ven system in QLD that basically mirrors NSW, but with different species in the first level ven license category.

Yes Mitchell, but as you know from your involvement here it wont be easy. Plus the Qld system as offered so far is a punish on keepers, the low numbers permitted to be kept with restrictions on breeding etcetera with massive punitive costs for keeping slightly higher quantities will either deter future hobbyists or force people underground,neither of which are good for the hobby or nature.

 

[Kyle Hamilton]

Just an excuse in each state to double the cost of licenses for keepers ,restricting numbers in any state wont work ,neither will deeming keepers to be amatuer or commercial sellers ,just easier to double fees in QLD,NSW ,SA etc .then throw a few morcels to the peasants in reptiles they can keep as a sweetener to the empty pockets

 

[Flaviemys purvisi]

Yes Mitchell, but as you know from your involvement here it wont be easy. Plus the Qld system as offered so far is a punish on keepers, the low numbers permitted to be kept with restrictions on breeding etcetera with massive punitive costs for keeping slightly higher quantities will either deter future hobbyists or force people underground,neither of which are good for the hobby or nature.

The easy way around the QLD crap law changes is to keep species not native to QLD.

 

[dragonlover1]

Just an excuse in each state to double the cost of licenses for keepers ,restricting numbers in any state wont work ,neither will deeming keepers to be amatuer or commercial sellers ,just easier to double fees in QLD,NSW ,SA etc .then throw a few morcels to the peasants in reptiles they can keep as a sweetener to the empty pockets

In NSW we managed to force the Govt to back down on their ridiculous proposal through sheer force of numbers. It is hoped the Qld people rise up in huge numbers as well, or else other states will believe they have the power to force through draconian regulations and we will all suffer as will the critters we are trying to protect

 

[Kyle Hamilton]

In NSW we managed to force the Govt to back down on their ridiculous proposal through sheer force of numbers. It is hoped the Qld people rise up in huge numbers as well, or else other states will believe they have the power to force through draconian regulations and we will all suffer as will the critters we are trying to protect

Get where your coming from ,but its like i said ,they are all doing it at the same time .All put the worst proposals forward first that they know are unworkable and in the end each state will roughly double the fees which is what its all about ,just revenue and legitamising the actions to get it done. In queensland they will just give the fees a big lift and throw a few bones and those in the firing line will think the big bad ranger has gone away ,always put the worst scenario first and the starving peasants think the end result is not so bad