Some Morelia's

[Jonno from ERD]

Seems like a lot of effort for some Kingy food, hey DP?

 

[disasterpiece7.0]

so what is a jag?

A co-dominant morph that creates a highly reduced pattern very similar to the ones posted in here. If you breed jag - jag you get half a clutch of jags and half as leucistics. so far no leucistics have survived long.

 

[ihaveherps]

so what is a jag?

the thing in the first pic of the thread.

 

[jasonryles810]

Hybrids or not...they're still pythons. You people make me sick.

hahah one of the best quotes from this entire thread!!! hahah yeh dpeica!!!!

 

[Jason2]

Great looking pythons, especially the black jungle.

 

[hardcorey007]

Since when has the law making it illegal in QLD made it illegal in all the other States and Territories? To the best of my knowledge it is not illegal in all States and Territories. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but please quote references if you do.

 

[Renagade]

Thats how long it will take for most breeders to realise this is where the hobby is going.
eg designer greens
Carpondros
Reduced Pattern
Melanistics
A-melanistics
Scaleless
etc etc etc

i tend to agree that this is the direction that this hobby is going. but dpont forget it also means cheaper animals on other fronts.
WHOOOoooo... scaleless.

 

[Southside Morelia]

i tend to agree that this is the direction that this hobby is going. but dpont forget it also means cheaper animals on other fronts.
WHOOOoooo... scaleless.

LMAO nice Renegade......:lol::lol: I do like them....BUT
But lets not forget also the people in the hobby that have done the hard yards of years of selective breeding to get pure RP animals as well, we all know who they are...well done guys!
Fence sitting NO, I like both and there's room for both in the hobby...JMO

 

[draqonfly]

I think they are fantastic
None of these Pythons will ever be released back into the (wild ) So whats the harm.

Thats what i was thinking too !

Captive bred , captive environment, in our homes.

Gorgeous pythons, would love to have one for meself... or two... or 3

 

[pigysus]

As a newbie to aussiepythons, I've not yet kept any reptiles. I've seen quite a few on my block and I may yet "join the club". The discussion on the whole has been interesting and informative. A few purists and a few weirdos but thats to be expected in such a wide ranging forum. I thought the animals spectacular. The future i suspect holds more than breeding live with live and could move into In-vitro fertilisation or even gene modification. There must always be a clean and carefully managed gene pool clear of meddling and I suspect that is what most of the purists are struggling to hold on too. Where

 

[pigysus]

How far do we go!

As a newbie to aussiepythons, I've not yet kept any reptiles. I've seen quite a few on my block and I may yet "join the club". The discussion on the whole has been interesting and informative. A few purists and a few weirdos but thats to be expected in such a wide ranging forum. I thought the animals spectacular. The future i suspect holds more than breeding live with live and could move into In-vitro fertilisation or even gene modification. There must always be a clean and carefully managed gene pool clear of meddling and I suspect that is what most of the purists are struggling to hold on too. Once hybridisation is accepted, then there is no line to be drawn so who knows what may be there in the future.

 

[The Devil]

I was right, been looking at my photo file and the pics in the first post were taken by myself before Xmas.
Thought they looked familiar, must have emailed them to the owner.

The second lot of pics has the Sydney Telegraph in one photo so I guess they are now down in NSW somewhere.

 

[gozz]

I think they are fantastic
None of these Pythons will ever be released back into the (wild ) So whats the harm.

You only need to see what happens when people can buy very cheap snakes ,look at Florida usa to see that people do release them
when some people get sick of them, and can
cause alot of probs

 

[ihaveherps]

Thats how long it will take for most breeders to realise this is where the hobby is going.
eg designer greens
Carpondros
Reduced Pattern
Melanistics
A-melanistics
Scaleless
etc etc etc

Renegade, it seems that most fail to realise that most of the above exist already, and apart from the carpondro have all been achieved with integrity, by breeding from within the same population.

Reduced patterns are common within most locales, there is nothing to be achieved by hybridisation that cant be achieved within the subspecies.

Melanistics, already in darwins, what is to be achieved by producing a hybrid melanistic, its still a black snake, just a hybrid sibling wont have locale data or even sit within a sub-species.

Amelanistics, already exist, hybridising will only prove to be arguemental points if one pops up within another species/sub-species, robbing someone of their hard work, due to others taking short-cuts.

Scaleless, again already exists in adders, again amazingly without hybridisation.

see where its heading, sure morphs are the way of the future, of course they will be, though the hybridisers are the cheats, taking short cuts, applying traits from one subspecies to another, rather than putting the work into refining a line. Hybridisers may achieve the goal they chase in "x" percentage of their clutches, the rest fall into the worthless scrap pile, without even locale to fall back on as a selling point. The people with conviction who work with locale animals can never affect the hybridisers, can the hybridisers say that the progeny will never affect the purists?

This thread has done nothing to promote the hybrids, jungles like the 3rd pick in the first post has been equalled if not exceeded but those putting the hard yards in to develop their pure lines, the second and fourth pics (again in the first post) of reduced carpets are similar to those produced by Jungleland and ilk, again with integrity and working within a locale/sub-species.... which leaves the first pic, have another look peoples, Jag. This all started as a way to push jags past the masses, nothing to do with hybrids, yet the bait was taken by most.... No wonder theres a new username to sell the story.

 

[ihaveherps]

I was right, been looking at my photo file and the pics in the first post were taken by myself before Xmas.
Thought they looked familiar, must have emailed them to the owner.

The second lot of pics has the Sydney Telegraph in one photo so I guess they are now down in NSW somewhere.

Not suprising Devil.... smelled fishy the whole time to me.

 

[Lewy]

Yippee I can just see it now in 30 years no purebreds left in captivity

People keep saying what's the problem they are not getting released in to the wild. This is not the problem its that people are dishonest and will sell them for what ever will fetch them the bigger $$$ eventual no one will know what the hell they are buying

I think that SOME hybrids look good but eventually you just wont no whats pure and whats not
Why should we go down the same path as the yanks???????

Lewy

 

[Pythonking]

Thats what i was thinking too !

Captive bred , captive environment, in our homes.

just a couple threads this month on escape artists,

http://www.aussiepythons.com/forum/australian-snakes/lost-snake-were-could-he-be-100490

http://www.aussiepythons.com/forum/australian-snakes/lost-my-spotted-101027

http://www.aussiepythons.com/forum/australian-snakes/lost-diamond-101345

http://www.aussiepythons.com/forum/herp-help/prision-break-100301

 

[scorps]

Ok everyone I got it, Its snake addict hes back, hes just stealing pics off some American site to annoy all us

 

[Lewy]

just a couple threads this month on escape artists,

http://www.aussiepythons.com/forum/australian-snakes/lost-snake-were-could-he-be-100490

http://www.aussiepythons.com/forum/australian-snakes/lost-my-spotted-101027

http://www.aussiepythons.com/forum/australian-snakes/lost-diamond-101345

http://www.aussiepythons.com/forum/herp-help/prision-break-100301

Good call people for get that **** happens I to have had a snake escape and never found

 

[phatt01]

Yippee I can just see it now in 30 years no purebreds left in captivity

People keep saying what's the problem they are not getting released in to the wild. This is not the problem its that people are dishonest and will sell them for what ever will fetch them the bigger $$$ eventual no one will know what the hell they are buying

I think that SOME hybrids look good but eventually you just wont no whats pure and whats not
Why should we go down the same path as the yanks???????

Lewy

Instead of just knocking the crap out of the ones that crossbreed, why not just accept the fact that they (crossbreeders) are out there, and doing what they want, and then perhaps they would come out of the closet (so to speak), knowing they arent going to get flamed every time the subject comes up. You will soon get to know who they are, and then simple, you dont buy their snakes, as you would know you wont be guarenteed on what you would be getting. You already know the breeders that breed 100% locale, so you keep buying from them, it's pretty simple.
I guess the problem is there are to many here that just have to have their say, and ride thier high horse.