Some Morelia's

[melgalea]

i am amazed this thread is still going and it took me a bloody long time (and 2 beers) to read it.
Hybrids - hmmm.... they are the reason i only buy from a couple of close people who i trust.
each to there own..... they look ok. but it would be a cold day in hell before i brought a hybrid. we have many fantastic pure pythons to choose from so why stuff around with it.

 

[TrueBlue]

No problem for me, a large percentage of my animals are ordered well before they hatch every year.

Your right they should come out of the closet especially if they have so much interest as they claim, thats quite the opposte of beign flamed i would think.
But they dont, gee i wonder why.!!

 

[Khagan]

Now, the day hybrid's become excepted in everyone's collection, is the day that the standard looking reptile will be left behind and won't comand the $ they do today.

That's something i could live with cheap snakes for me yay.

 

[TrueBlue]

mungus,- I think the opposite will happen. Once hybrids muddy the water too much, pure wild type animals will be worth a fortune.

 

[phatt01]

phatt01,
Are the hybrid breeders really so fragile, that a mere "internet flaming" forces them to lose all integrity?

I never mentioned integrity, I am saying that they wont come out openly, cause they are sick of being flamed every time the word is mentioned.

 

[Lewy]

mungus,- I think the opposite will happen. Once hybrids muddy the water too much, pure wild type animals will be worth a fortune.

Total agree with you there TrueBlue

Lewy

 

[melgalea]

mungus,- I think the opposite will happen. Once hybrids muddy the water too much, pure wild type animals will be worth a fortune.

i agree 100% with u Rob.
Mel

 

[scorps]

What I love the most about this thread is how QldMorelias keeps trying to act all professional and act like he knows what he's talking about then TrueBlue keeps running him down its good.

Do you no what would put a huge awesome twist to this thread, if trueblue and qldmorelias where the same people hahahah joking trueblue I no you wouldnt stoop that lol.

 

[Ishah]

no loss of integrity, just like my privacy,

anyway this isnt what this thread is about, all we wanted to achieve was to let people know there are other hybrid and designer snake breeders out there, and people dont need to be afraid to share pics of their projects and even talk about hybrids.

The perception of hybrids and designer snakes is becoming far more widely accepted, thats what we wanted and thats what we are achieving.

Thanks again to everyone who pm'd and posted, either in favour or against

Quick question... What exactly do you put them down as on your license? Do you put them down as what they most look like/resemble, or what the dam or sire is, or what? Genuinely curious, and seeings as you're coming out in the open an all...

And what do the EPA say about it when you hand in your MA's?

 

[Bushfire]

As someone said a few pages ago, just because its a rule in QLD that doesn't mean its illegal in all the other states.

Phatt01, I total agree with what you said. The hard line purist will always be able to get prue animals from known locale breeders, if your that way in kind you would of done your research and know where to source your animals. The thing is that purist feel threatened that hybrid breeders will steal some of the buying market from them, because simply patterns and colours is what is going to attract the buyers.

An escaped hybrid will do no more damage to the ecosystem than any other escapee that is released that wasn't from that location ie. Brissy carpets in Sydney, EWD in Canberra etc etc. If you wanted to stop this completely then ask for a law which states you aren't allowed to keep anything that didn't naturally (including the specific locale) to where you live.

Why should QLDMorelias have to identify himself in an public forum? No one else has such demands placed on them when they breed uncommon reptiles. I too would ignore such requests too.

 

[phatt01]

Quick question... What exactly do you put them down as on your license? Do you put them down as what they most look like/resemble, or what the dam or sire is, or what? Genuinely curious, and seeings as you're coming out in the open an all...

And what do the EPA say about it when you hand in your MA's?

The EPA wont say anything as it is legal to buy Hybrids in QLD, just illegal to breed them.
I would guess you would put them down as one of the parents, prob the Dame?

 

[bubbaloush]

you guys should see our olive cross maccies they are cool

 

[phatt01]

As someone said a few pages ago, just because its a rule in QLD that doesn't mean its illegal in all the other states.

Phatt01, I total agree with what you said. The hard line purist will always be able to get prue animals from known locale breeders, if your that way in kind you would of done your research and know where to source your animals. The thing is that purist feel threatened that hybrid breeders will steal some of the buying market from them, because simply patterns and colours is what is going to attract the buyers.

An escaped hybrid will do no more damage to the ecosystem than any other escapee that is released that wasn't from that location ie. Brissy carpets in Sydney, EWD in Canberra etc etc. If you wanted to stop this completely then ask for a law which states you aren't allowed to keep anything that didn't naturally (including the specific locale) to where you live.

Why should QLDMorelias have to identify himself in an public forum? No one else has such demands placed on them when they breed uncommon reptiles. I too would ignore such requests too.

Well said.

 

[Lewy]

you guys should see our olive cross maccies they are cool

Hheheheheehehe:lol:

 

[Ishah]

The EPA wont say anything as it is legal to buy Hybrids in QLD, just illegal to breed them.
I would guess you would put them down as one of the parents, prob the Dame?

Ok, well then what do they say to the breeders of the hybrids then? As you aren't allowed to legally breed them... And they don't just pop out of thin air!...Also, both the seller and the buyer hand in MA's, and the EPA would know where every animal that pops up comes from...i.e. bred or bought etc... So would they not know who bred them anyways? I spose if they put them all down as the dame, then the EPA wouldnt even know they are crosses...:?

 

[The Devil]

Not suprising Devil.... smelled fishy the whole time to me.

Smells fishy?????? please explain that to me.....I was at a friends place and was asked to take some pics.
I didn't and still don't see a problem with doing that........

 

[ihaveherps]

I think I have shown enough of my balls for now,

Ive seen bigger balls on a gelding..... so far you have been caught using someones elses pics, which are supposedly of someone else animals, and refused to own your posts unless under alias.... balls? Your a eunuch!

 

[phatt01]

Australian law protects Transvestites, They're crosses are'nt they?

 

[Australis]

I never mentioned integrity, I am saying that they wont come out openly, cause they are sick of being flamed every time the word is mentioned.

I know you didn't mention integrity, that was me.

I just don't think much of this "fear of flaming" excuse being thrown around
especially when used to justify why people aren't being open about their
hybrid breeding "projects".

If your going to go against the grain (in this case producing hybrids).. at least
have some backbone... and not quiver in fear of a little internet flaming, geez.

Ive lost count of the amount of times a clutch hybrids/crosses get a name change
to something more "pure" ... in a blatant effort to sell the animals..
Kinda goes against the claims theres some huge market for the mongrel things.

 

[ihaveherps]

Smells fishy?????? please explain that to me.....I was at a friends place and was asked to take some pics.
I didn't and still don't see a problem with doing that........

sorry wasnt casting aspersions about you in any way.... though re-reading it, it may have come across as such.